Ok. Comparing GS-R to Type-R:

Stock Type-R:

195HP
129lbs of Torque

Stock GS-R:

170HP
128lbs of Torque

Thats 25HP difference with 1 lbs of torque more on the Type-R.

Ok the Type-R has more Agressive cams, better flowing Intake Manifold, Better Gearing, better valve-springs, higher redline, etc etc.

Type-R runs the 1/4 in 14.6-14.8s

GS-R runs 15.4-15.6s


Lets mod the GS-R a bit. Lets give it (Basically Type-R parts):

Type-R Cams
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
Cam Gears
VAFC (Tuned)
I/H/E


How come a B18C1 (GS-R) puts out more Power and is faster than a Stock Type-R? Isn't the Type-R Basically similar to this setup with better gearing and higher compression?

 

dont forget the Type-R has LSD......

 

and shorter gears...in addition to the hand ported & polished head.

 

So why is the GS-R faster? Are the aftermarket mods that much more affective?

 

hmm, good question...

 

Are the I/H/E all ITR parts? And the cam gears with the VAFC can be tuned to produce more power than an ITR.

 

umm who said it was faster? Lets just do the same thing you did to the gsr to the ITR

toda cams
toda gears
V-AFC (tuned)
skunk2 manifold
JDM header
God speed straight pipe
Mugen cat back
A little "jesus" statue on the dash


Now who's faster again?
Oh wait your going to say " I can do so little to be at ITR power" Well I can do so little to make sure you don't catch me. Welcome to the world of racing

 

Now you're gettin carried away~


I'm juss sayin if a GS-R got ITR parts, how come its faster in a straight line race.

ITR cams
Skunk2 IM (Very similar to a Type-R IM)
Cam Gears (To match the ITR Cams)
VAFC to fix the VTEC X-over
I/H/E (to make up in the P&P Head)


Thats all I'm saying. Of course if you go into MODDING it all out, there's no end to it. Whoever spends more money on their car wins at the end. But try to explain the original question. SPANKS!

 

Whoa whoa whoa I/H/E no where near "makes up" for the P&P head...That I/H/E is where the GSR will be making more power so that is why they will be faster...simple as that

 

He's saying ITR parts. OEM ITR I/H/E.

 

This is any easy one...

The mods you listed are not entirely the same as the ones on a stock Type-R so there will be a difference in performance. Also, a GS-R with those parts is not necessarily faster depending on how it it's tuned and how well the motor responds to those parts. Even it it was faster, it would be faster in a straight line only. Let's not forget all the handling/braking goodies the Type-R has. I would take a stock Type-R over a GS-R with the parts you listed any day.

 

Yes yes. very true. But i'm just talkin about straight line speed. We all know that Type-R's are godlike on those turns~

 

where did he say that?

 

the only thing i can think of is the heads. the gsr head with the itr pistons will have a higher compression than the itr head will.

 

So when is Skunk2 or AEM going to come out with their version of a high performance little "jesus" statue for the dash? Thats gotta add some HP!

 

Forreals! Jesus Statues

 

Getting a bit too defensive eh? Don't worry, you will always be the king of the road with your ITR. Here is a salute. , wait, no red A emblem here.

 

[QUOTE]Type-R Cams
Skunk2 Intake Manifold
Cam Gears
VAFC (Tuned)
I/H/E
QUOTE]

skunk2 intake manifold, vafc (tuned), I/H/E are not OEM parts. even if you used OEM I/H/E typeR parts on a gsr, you still have the non-OEM vafc and skunk2 manifold.

i see typeRs that smoke modded GSRs... whoever said the GSR was faster with the same mods? have you seen this done more than once? i didnt think so.

 

this is some weird *** thread..
well when u do mod the gsr with those mods...of course its gonna b faster..
but being faster than the R or not...it depends on the parts u use..
at the end...the better parts u use...the more power u have..
personally...i think the R already has great parts...n talk about reliability as well..oem parts do last long...

 

As far as 25 more HP with an additional 1 ft/lb of torque. Look at the torque curve and where that extra torque is located and how it holds. Tada!

 

I think this is going the wrong way. I hope this isn't going to start a flame war against GS-R owners and Type-R owners. Thats the LAST thing I want to happen.

Let me clear this up. I was just wondering, that if a GS-R got ITR cams, and the mods I stated previously, how come its faster than a stock ITR? Doesn't the ITR have ITR cams (Obviously), VERY similar Intake Manifold as the S2 IM, P&P head, stiffer Valvesprings, higher redline, better ECU, Better Gear ratio, LSD, Tuned from the box, etc etc.

And yes. A GS-R with ITR cams, VAFC, S2 IM, Cam Gears, I/H/E, IS faster than a Stock ITR. I've seen my friends race alot, and I can attest to this.

I'm not sayin that Type-R's are weak or anything (Thats the LAST thing I'd say), but I was just wondering if aftermarket mods do THAT much of a difference for a car. You get what I'm tryin to say? Its just a simple question.

 

I get what your saying. Yes I was wondering the same thing too....

Calm down ITR owners....

 

ITRs have a lighter flywheel. Lighter flywheels are great for rev matching during track racing, but aren't so good for drag racing because they have less momentum during the launch.

This difference doesn't really affect the time that much, but it does affect it a little.

Also, the GSR with ITR parts and tuned to ITR specs will not beat the stock ITR.

GSR with:
ITR cams
cam gears tuned to ITR specs
VAFC tuned to ITR specs
Skunk2 IM
ITR intake
ITR header
ITR exhaust

This should perform very similarly to a stock ITR but should still be slower. Why? The ITR intake, ITR header, ITR exhaust IS still restrictive compared to aftermarket parts like AEM CAI, DC headers, and Apexi exhaust. Add lighter weight, better gearing and LSD in the ITR and you have your little edge.

Lets take a stock GSR and put in an ITR intake, ITR header, and ITR exhaust. Realistically, you should still be running low 15's. Now take a stock GSR and put in an AEM CAI, DC headers and Apexi exhaust. These parts are much more free flowing. These people should be running high 14's or equal to an ITR.

If you want to compare your car to a similarly equipped ITR here it is:

Your GSR:
ITR cams
skunk2 cam gears tuned to ITR specs
skunk2 intake mani
VAFC tuned to ITR specs
AEM CAI
DC 4-1
TT exhaust

ITR with:
AEM CAI
DC 4-1
TT exhaust

In this case, I'd expect the GSR to run 14.6-14.7 and the ITR should run 14.3-14.4.

This is what I THINK. Anyone with other experience?

 

The longer GSR gears are better for drag because we can stay in vtec longer?

 

So you're tellin me that a Stock Type-R will beat a GS-R with ITR cams, Cam Gears, S2 IM, I/H/E, and a VAFC Fully tuned? I dont think so...

Come on keys, i remember when you came down to one of our races and saw me beat my friend's Type-R remember? We got it on tape too. If a GS-R with Intake beat a Type-R in a straight line, I'm pretty confident a GS-R with all those mods will beat a Type-R...


[Modified by GS-R, 3:18 AM 4/4/2002]