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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 01:34 PM
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hey guys,

i'm ready to try new engine management. i'm just getting sick of hondata...hasn't been working well with my car...tuner can't seem to get rid of the detonation at low rpms

i'm close to buying a used jun ecu just because it's plug and play and i'm electronically illiterate. what do you guys think about that? I know I probably won't be making as much power, but i'm hoping it wouldnt be as much hassle. Is it true that the Jun Ecu is able to "learn" your engine or would it be trouble to buy a used ecu that wasn't made specifically for my setup?

If I were to get the aem ems, I'm thinking of tuning it myself...is it difficult to do? I've never tuned a car in my life before? What type of wide band should I get to tune it?
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 01:38 PM
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Hey Dan, i'd reccommend the AEM EMS

how come you're detonating at lower rpms? I'm running hondata @ 13.0:1cr (re-calculated) and its fine at lower RPM's for me
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 02:08 PM
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G5 tunes AEM now so I'd maybe give that a try. My car stalls every once in a while and at hot starts and idles really high at first start up of the day with the s200. Other than that it seems to be OK.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 02:09 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itralex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Dan, i'd reccommend the AEM EMS

how come you're detonating at lower rpms? I'm running hondata @ 13.0:1cr (re-calculated) and its fine at lower RPM's for me</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yo Alex,

do you know anyone in Vancouver that tunes AEM?

great to hear that Garage 5 has done a good job with tuning your car
having fun with that monster of yours? did you get any dyno numbers yet? run it on the 1/4 mile or the track yet?
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by white rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">G5 tunes AEM now so I'd maybe give that a try. My car stalls every once in a while and at hot starts and idles really high at first start up of the day with the s200. Other than that it seems to be OK.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Hey Chris,

I get that stalling thing too...it's so annoying when it happens in public and people thinks it's your lack of driving skills

I'll give G5 a call about the AEM
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 02:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-Rare#1248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yo Alex,

do you know anyone in Vancouver that tunes AEM?

great to hear that Garage 5 has done a good job with tuning your car
having fun with that monster of yours? did you get any dyno numbers yet? run it on the 1/4 mile or the track yet?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe wayne is the only one that is certified to tune the AEM in vancouver and he did a great job with my car and Hondata.

No dyno numbers yet, gotta work out some bugs before hitting the dyno. but hopefully soon. I need to take advantage of the cold air we're getting here cause of the whether haha
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 02:16 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-Rare#1248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Hey Chris,

I get that stalling thing too...it's so annoying when it happens in public and people thinks it's your lack of driving skills

I'll give G5 a call about the AEM</TD></TR></TABLE>

haha, the same happens to me once in a while. It just so happened to stall when i was parking at the CI meet where 30+ people watched me
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 02:23 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itralex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

haha, the same happens to me once in a while. It just so happened to stall when i was parking at the CI meet where 30+ people watched me </TD></TR></TABLE>

Reverse gear pwns you
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 03:32 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itralex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

haha, the same happens to me once in a while. It just so happened to stall when i was parking at the CI meet where 30+ people watched me </TD></TR></TABLE>

haha...ouch

at least it'd be easier to explain to a group of car enthusiasts
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 03:52 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-Rare#1248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey guys,

i'm ready to try new engine management. i'm just getting sick of hondata...hasn't been working well with my car...tuner can't seem to get rid of the detonation at low rpms

i'm close to buying a used jun ecu just because it's plug and play and i'm electronically illiterate. what do you guys think about that? I know I probably won't be making as much power, but i'm hoping it wouldnt be as much hassle. Is it true that the Jun Ecu is able to "learn" your engine or would it be trouble to buy a used ecu that wasn't made specifically for my setup?

If I were to get the aem ems, I'm thinking of tuning it myself...is it difficult to do? I've never tuned a car in my life before? What type of wide band should I get to tune it?</TD></TR></TABLE>

buying plug n play ecu is unlikely to fix your problem, if somebody else w/ same or similar setup to yours is able to run without problems using hondata, then you shouldn't be having problems unless tuned improperly. are you using the righ spark plug/timing/spark plug gap etc.. tuning yourself would save couple hundred maybe three with investment of over a thousand, hovewer, if you don't retune often or tune other cars, then you're better off paying someone else to do it.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 04:27 PM
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befor my build up... i had the JUN 3 head package and ECU and the car pulled hard as hell and made 207 to the wheels... now my car is fully built w/ 84mm pistons, 12.5-1 compression along side a list of other goodies... i still use my JUN ecu as well as a VAFC and turn 230+whp... im sure i could squeeze a little more with a standalone or hondata... but im pretty happy with 230+ whp on pump gas
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 04:38 PM
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Default Re: getting rid of hondata - jun ecu or aem ems? (Type-Rare#1248)

Dan,

Tuning is all in the tuner, not in the equipment used to tune. Going with another system will not rid you of your problems. Who did your hondata tune? Did it get tuned on a dyno, or just on the street? How do you know you are detonating at low rpm's? Sounds like you need someone else to look at your setup and try to fix the problems you are experiencing. I highly doubt going AEM will solve your problems. I would only change systems for the options they include.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-Rare#1248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Is it true that the Jun Ecu is able to "learn" your engine </TD></TR></TABLE>

Absoulutly false. The ecu tells the motor when and how much fuel to add, and when to ignite it (spark). It finds this info on the fuel and ignition tables, which are ploted vs rpm and map value. There is no learning involved at all.

edit: what plugs are you using? What gap?
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 05:10 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dr Pooface &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Dan,

Tuning is all in the tuner, not in the equipment used to tune. Going with another system will not rid you of your problems. Who did your hondata tune? Did it get tuned on a dyno, or just on the street? How do you know you are detonating at low rpm's? Sounds like you need someone else to look at your setup and try to fix the problems you are experiencing. I highly doubt going AEM will solve your problems. I would only change systems for the options they include.

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I got it street tuned...yah, maybe i should get someone else to tune my car

how is your turbo build up coming along, Dylan? I saw your pics of you working on your motor a while back...wut are you going to tune it with?
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 05:14 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtec.dc2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

buying plug n play ecu is unlikely to fix your problem, if somebody else w/ same or similar setup to yours is able to run without problems using hondata, then you shouldn't be having problems unless tuned improperly. are you using the righ spark plug/timing/spark plug gap etc.. tuning yourself would save couple hundred maybe three with investment of over a thousand, hovewer, if you don't retune often or tune other cars, then you're better off paying someone else to do it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thx for the good info buddy...i know it's very cost inefficient to buy all the equipment to tune my own car...i probably wouldn't do it...i just felt like having the flexibility
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 05:38 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-Rare#1248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got it street tuned...yah, maybe i should get someone else to tune my car

how is your turbo build up coming along, Dylan? I saw your pics of you working on your motor a while back...wut are you going to tune it with?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'm going to use uberdata and tune it myself.

Did Wayne from G5 tune your car? Maybe you should get him to take it out to Kinetic's dyno and do some tuning with Shawn out there.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 05:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dr Pooface &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'm going to use uberdata and tune it myself.

Did Wayne from G5 tune your car? Maybe you should get him to take it out to Kinetic's dyno and do some tuning with Shawn out there.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No AJR tuned it...i'm probably gonna give G5 a try
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 06:06 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-Rare#1248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">No AJR tuned it...i'm probably gonna give G5 a try</TD></TR></TABLE>

That would be a very good idea. Wayne knows his ****.
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 08:47 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dr Pooface &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That would be a very good idea. Wayne knows his ****.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If he's busy.....Crescent is just a stone's throw away down south in Bellingham....

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He's well versed in hondata, crome and AEM EMS
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Old Nov 13, 2005 | 08:51 PM
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Yeah, go with Crescent. Besides his villan type laughs, the guy can tune.

PM me for his number if you're interested. He tunes a lot of the Vancouver guys' cars...let alone a NUMBER of road racers from Seattle on this board, he'll get you some good numbers and drivability
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 12:21 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Type-Rare#1248 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">hey guys,

i'm ready to try new engine management. i'm just getting sick of hondata...hasn't been working well with my car...tuner can't seem to get rid of the detonation at low rpms

i'm close to buying a used jun ecu just because it's plug and play and i'm electronically illiterate. what do you guys think about that? I know I probably won't be making as much power, but i'm hoping it wouldnt be as much hassle. Is it true that the Jun Ecu is able to "learn" your engine or would it be trouble to buy a used ecu that wasn't made specifically for my setup?

If I were to get the aem ems, I'm thinking of tuning it myself...is it difficult to do? I've never tuned a car in my life before? What type of wide band should I get to tune it?</TD></TR></TABLE>


jumping into tuning an aem ems can be very over welming...

my suggestion. keep ur hondata, and go to a compotent tuner, because obviously the last tuner didnt do you justice...

detonation can kill a motor rather quickly.


good luck
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 05:28 AM
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1248 eh? mine's 1244.. lol

good luck with your R
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:12 PM
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No AJR tuned it...i'm probably gonna give G5 a try</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's your problem, ajr doesn't know how to tune motors. Their excuse will be your motor has some problems to start with.

They blew up my last motor. (If you want me to start listing out the ALL STAR cast of names that helped put my motor together, I'm coming out with my guns blazing)

AJR ran my motor too rich washed the cylinder rings, then too lean to compensate and melted the rings, stalled the car various times at just trying to get it to idle, and shot a 5-10ft flame outta my exhaust while the car was stationary. I've had very good experinces with Wayne @ Garage5. They tune all my and my friend's motors now. I'd recommend him to everyone in the BC region if they are looking for a local tuner.

2nd edit, not saying your car is slow, but I'm willing to bet my stock gsr cam'd low compression(9.0:1) ls/vtec can give your motor with all those goodies a run for the money right now. This is not an attack at you or your motor/car, This is just my opinion on how well AJR can tune Fresh built motors.



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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:13 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by itralex &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hey Dan, i'd reccommend the AEM EMS

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Ive had great turnouts always with AEM EMS
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Old Nov 14, 2005 | 02:46 PM
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Don't get the JUN ECU it sucks your better of with the hondata that that ecu.
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i got wayne to tune my setup with hondata
i'm running 12.5cr with toda B's
no detonation at low rpm at all

give him a try and he should be able to help you out
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