vafc or hondata with current setup
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vafc or hondata with current setup
searched but no results were found. I have ctr cams, cam gears, fpr, itr manifold, icebox and plan on getting jdm 4-1 and ctr pistons. I don't plan on modifying the engine much more after that. My dilemna is: should i get the vafc or hondata? i can get the hondata for 400 with the reprogrammed ecu or vafc for 150. would i be able to take full advantage of the hondata, or would it be overkill? The vafc is looking to be a more cost worthy investment. any and all inputs will be greatly appreciated.
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (boroDC2)
I've been on the same debate for a while now, What stage Hondata are you getting?
I've found that if you want tune it your self you will need to buy stage four, or get it tuned by someone with stage 4 components. I think the hodata will give you more tunning capability, but of course that all depends on how much tunning you need or plan on doing.
I've found that if you want tune it your self you will need to buy stage four, or get it tuned by someone with stage 4 components. I think the hodata will give you more tunning capability, but of course that all depends on how much tunning you need or plan on doing.
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (98401R)
i plan on getting the stage 2 if anything. I live really close to the hondata plant so i have access to someone else with a stage 4. I don't know if its worth the price with my mods. and considering im still in college. If it is tho, i would be willing to sacrafice for it. Anyone have a similar setup and have any comments?
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (boroDC2)
in my opinion they are nearly the same price (maybee $50 diferent) so buying a vafc would be dumb... for $50 you get fully adjustable fuel and iginition tables, plus a raised rev limit.... this is a no brainer to me
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (Phoenix GSR)
I am having the same problem, but there wont be a $50 difference when your done tuning. Tuning with Hondata is not easy, so you really need someone that knows how, thus more $$$. SO, it depends if you have the extra money for tuning. Thats of course is my opinion. Ryan
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (austrian type-R)
speak of which.....why do some people opt for the endyn 81.5mm instead of ctr 81.25 does one outperform another for all motor purposes?
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (Pinhead)
some people want the extra bore, some people just want to say they have forged
pistons. The nice thing about aftermarket pistons is you can get the CR you want
because they are custom, factory piston selection isnt as wide.
But the bottom line is with smaller cams, the high compression can be more of
a detriment than a help.
pistons. The nice thing about aftermarket pistons is you can get the CR you want
because they are custom, factory piston selection isnt as wide.
But the bottom line is with smaller cams, the high compression can be more of
a detriment than a help.
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (sgT)
some people want the extra bore, some people just want to say they have forged
pistons. The nice thing about aftermarket pistons is you can get the CR you want
because they are custom, factory piston selection isnt as wide.
But the bottom line is with smaller cams, the high compression can be more of
a detriment than a help.
pistons. The nice thing about aftermarket pistons is you can get the CR you want
because they are custom, factory piston selection isnt as wide.
But the bottom line is with smaller cams, the high compression can be more of
a detriment than a help.
hmmm......up to a certain extent, i believe this to be incorrect. although , there is a point of no return i suppose
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (sgT)
some people want the extra bore, some people just want to say they have forged
pistons. The nice thing about aftermarket pistons is you can get the CR you want
because they are custom, factory piston selection isnt as wide.
But the bottom line is with smaller cams, the high compression can be more of
a detriment than a help.
pistons. The nice thing about aftermarket pistons is you can get the CR you want
because they are custom, factory piston selection isnt as wide.
But the bottom line is with smaller cams, the high compression can be more of
a detriment than a help.
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (boroDC2)
For your setup i would probably get b16a pistons. Will give about mid 11s compression
and are cheap. Hondata is better no doubt, just for the fact that the ecu can
be tuned to your car. However the afc/fpr combo will probably work well enough for
your mild setup as well. Knowing what I know, i would go with the hondata, but
if cost is a big deal for you, then get the afc and see what you can do.
and are cheap. Hondata is better no doubt, just for the fact that the ecu can
be tuned to your car. However the afc/fpr combo will probably work well enough for
your mild setup as well. Knowing what I know, i would go with the hondata, but
if cost is a big deal for you, then get the afc and see what you can do.
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (sgT)
thanks sgt for all your wisdom. I think i will just be getting the vafc for now. I don't wanna go to extreme. especially since i dont got a full time jobby job. hahaa. btw, around how much do the b16 pistons cost?
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (Johnny Tran)
didnt you just say compression was worthless? 
more detrimental than helpful because detonation control will become VERY hard
with smaller mild cams. You have to remember that with large cams with lots of
overlap, the compression ratio isnt the 12.5:1 static that you see just by adding
numbers, its actually quite lower which is why such high static compression ratio is
needed in order to make up for that. With mild cams a lot of compression isnt lost
so you dont need to raise it up as high.
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (sgT)
didnt you just say compression was worthless?
Nope, I never said that. I said that super high compression can prove to be
more detrimental than helpful because detonation control will become VERY hard
with smaller mild cams. You have to remember that with large cams with lots of
overlap, the compression ratio isnt the 12.5:1 static that you see just by adding
numbers, its actually quite lower which is why such high static compression ratio is
needed in order to make up for that. With mild cams a lot of compression isnt lost
so you dont need to raise it up as high.
Nope, I never said that. I said that super high compression can prove to be
more detrimental than helpful because detonation control will become VERY hard
with smaller mild cams. You have to remember that with large cams with lots of
overlap, the compression ratio isnt the 12.5:1 static that you see just by adding
numbers, its actually quite lower which is why such high static compression ratio is
needed in order to make up for that. With mild cams a lot of compression isnt lost
so you dont need to raise it up as high.
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Re: vafc or hondata with current setup (sgT)
Maybe I should hold a question and answer seminar and put it into a faq....
