Ok its not really a ''forced induction'' post but im use to post on this forum and I know that a lot of cars here needs to run inserts or stiffer mounts. Not just to get better general feeling but to keep our engine in place especially when you run the car with stickier tires, the engine move A LOT with OEM mounts and with + 300whp.

So I was running the Prothane insert for about 2 summers now and from the beginning I just hated them. Its a question of taste or preference but for a street car too much vibrations is not fun at all and belive it or not its not good for the engine... the stock OEM mounts act like the crank damper but for the engine...
So like you know my project is almost done and all I just want to do is to make it more enjoyable and reliable. So I had to find the solution to get rid of those nasty vibrations.

I was shopping for new mounts like the Hasport or something like that but they are really expensive... I came across a post about the engine damper. When I saw the Ingall Stiffy like they call it I just wanted to give a try and test it. So I placed my order at Tai, owner of http://www.CorSportUSA.com he hooked me up with a good package deal for my front and rear Ingall camber kit and the Ingall Stiffy engine damper for about 150$ the Stiffy and 160$ for the 2 camber kit so I jumped on this deal. Tai also worked with Ingall as a prototype car for them to test the product so I trusted him when he told me that I will like the damper.

Anyway yesterday night I installed the product and removed the famous inserts and all I can say is that I love how my car feels now. No vibrations at all I also noticed that the clutch feel smoother and more friendly. I also tested how the engine would move... my Tial wastegate mounted on my SST was alwas hitting my oil cooler lines before so I just installed a small piece of duct tape to see if there would be contact and the test was posive... the engine is staying in place.

The test to see if the WG was going to touch the tape worked... no contact = less movement of the engine compare to before ( there is about an inch or so between the WG and the tape )






So I wont debate on the inserts vs. damper vs. aftermarket mount etc... Each one have its own advantage for a precise application but for me who want a smooth street car with mild power ( 300whp ) im really satisfied with this product but I wouldnt try cheaper imitation like the NRG etc... I couldnt ask for more from it. Its cheap, it works, no vibrations, smoother car, I was smilling like a child after the test.

So the main objective of my post was just to inform the people who have a similar setup/objective to mine that the should give a try to this Ingall stiffy and you will really LOVE to get a feeling of driving a brand new car with no vibrations I know that H-T is about helping each other so I just wanted to share my new experience !

PS: if you have a Civic COUPE 1995 si/ex that came with the front 10.3inch rotor like an Integra you must get the Integra kit... I ordered the 1992-95 kit and I learned that mu car came with an Integra mount ?? The braket from the kit wasnt working... hopefully Tai shipped me the Integra bracket to solve this :



Mat

 

Awsome thread, is anyone running these with hasport mounts?

 

Great writeup. I drove a friend's boosted sohc with one of these engine dampeners once(not the same one, but similar) and that thing felt great. In fact i believe it had the engine dampener + the es motor mount inserts + a very heavy duty puck clutch. It wouldn't be my ideal setup for daily driving, but if he had switched to a street disc i would enjoy the setup for daily driving.

 

i had one similar to this made by silvers racing, it was a gas charged dampner. at the time i was making like 300 HP, withing 2 weeks i had snapped the bracket that comes off the motor mount. and the gas was pouring out of the shock. i ended up using a non moving solid bar.

as far as the wastegate hitting, the motor under a load will roatate toward the windshield, so in the case of the wastegate hitting, it had to be coming from the motor going back forward under shifting.

i will post a pic of mine to show you what i had to do.

good write up tho!

 

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as far as the wastegate hitting, the motor under a load will roatate toward the windshield, so in the case of the wastegate hitting, it had to be coming from the motor going back forward under shifting.

i will post a pic of mine to show you what i had to do.

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Yeah it was hitting when I was letting the throttle off not while accelerating.

For now it do the job perfectly... more than what I was excpecting. Just hope that it will last. From what I cant see it looks like a good quality parts but the interesting parts would be to see the inside of the shock. The bracket of this kit are really strong thats for sure.

 

nice writeup and good info for those who don't know.

 

Awesome write up... I am glad it worked out for you. Ingalls really helps me out and lets me take care of my customers properly. Anyone out there that has any interest in this product can PM me with questions.

Tai Kahn
CorSportUSA
http://www.corsportusa.com

 

no ef applications?

 

whats the difference betweenthe NRG and ingalls one?
I have the NRG and it works really well

 

Where can i take a look at the NRG's?

 

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https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1314830

i'm selling them for $79 shipped...

 

this is what i came up with instead of the "shock" style dampners, my car isnt the most powerful thing and i do have all 5 motor mounts in, but i still had flex, enought o hit the hood and put dents in it. this cost me about 30 dollars to make and i have the abilty to move the motor forward or backward about an inch.

i would like to make a couple more and totally replace the rear mount and try to position the motor where i want it, sort of a preload so to speak

 

Nice write up. I never knew how those were supposed to be installed/mounted to do what they do, but it looks good.

 

Im getting annoyed by them inserts as well. Anyone got any long term feedback on these?

 

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Unfortunately NRG has an extremely limited application list:
DA-101 DAMPER - HONDA CIVIC 92-95
EDA-201 DAMPER - HONDA CIVIC 96-00
EDA-301 DAMPER - HONDA ACCORD 94-00
EDA-401 DAMPER - TOYOTA MRS - SILVER

Ingalls honda/acura applications:
http://www.corsportusa.com/sto...th=29

With all due respect to NRG products, the R&D and quality of an Ingalls ETD is, in my opinion (and many of my custmers), superior and worth the money.

Tai
CorSport

 

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DA-101 DAMPER - HONDA CIVIC 92-95
EDA-201 DAMPER - HONDA CIVIC 96-00
EDA-301 DAMPER - HONDA ACCORD 94-00
EDA-401 DAMPER - TOYOTA MRS - SILVER

Ingalls honda/acura applications:
http://www.corsportusa.com/sto...th=29

With all due respect to NRG products, the R&D and quality of an Ingalls ETD is, in my opinion (and many of my custmers), superior and worth the money.

Tai
CorSport</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have a suspicion that the ingalls and nrg dampers are both made by the same manufacturer...

 

^Absolutely not.

Ingalls is a Colorado company (as are we), I helped them with fitment on the ep3 and em2 brackets. Most of the locals out here helped them design and test many of the other fitments including the dc2, dc5, evo, 350x, mini, etc. The product is researched, designed, mocked up and produced 100% to Ingalls specifications, including contents of the shock, threading sizes, lock nut types, metals used, etc.

 

Does the Ingalls damper actually a shock absorber with a piston and such or is it just bushings that prevent the movement like the NRG damper??

 

not sure about the ingalls kit, but i think these things are basically a rubber plunger in an aluminum cylinder.. kind of like a syringe

juz to share with you guys.. my friend and i been using the J's racing engine torque damper http://www.jsracing.co.jp .. after about a year or so of usage, the rubber seals on the plunger gave way and the thing was basically useless.. i think the heat and vibration from the high-comp engines caused it to harden and lose the sealing..

the bloody thing cost us about 300bucks so i was unwilling to throw it away.. so we filled the damn thing with silicone and put it together to see if it works ehehe so far so good, there's a tad bit more vibration in the cabin, but it's tolerable.. we both drive JDM EK4's, the J's damper mounts to the A-arm bolt not the strut tower, not sure if it makes a difference or not



the rubber plunger seals gave way and you could basically push the whole plunger all the way in with your finger

 

they are actually basically a teflon insert in the ingalls dampener ...

Tai

 

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NRG comes with a rubber and polurethane insert...

but look at them all
J's racing, NRG, ingalls... look at the body of the "valve"
they have to be the exact same...
just like how arospeed, obx, and apc get come of their parts made from the same manufacturer

 

Yep, but IMO thats like saying the stainless steel tube that is part of an intake is the same on all the brands, thus they are all the same. Brackets, Fit, Finish, Testing, Branding, etc. all play into a products overall actual and perceived quality and value.

Tai

 

Wouldn't these dampers be more effectve if 1 was used on each side of the motor. Without one on the tranny side I think there will be excessive load on the motor mount.

 

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Can this be an alternative to worn motor mounts?

 

someone had an idea a while ago to use the adjustable coil-over dampener off of a mountain bike. check it out. you can adjust spring perch and dampening.