two people


head coming off


#3





Head



Headgasket


sleeve in my hand:



Yea, #3 kind of let go, i'll post up the video, but i did still run a 11.2@133.
I just wonder if it can be resleeved? ERL is 20 minutes away from me, so just makes me wonder.

 

wow... that **** cracked in the SAME spot on the SAME cylinder as my stock ls-t did. good job!!! lol

 

ouch!!! supreme carnage!!!

 

what kind of power was it making?

 

Looks great Here is 34lbs + SC61S + stock sleeves BoostedCivicSedan.

 

was this all tuning guys?

or do you think these were stress cracks in the sleeves which eventually spread?

 

how much power were you making?

 

I believe he was making well over 500whp with that setup.

 

My block looked somewhat like that.. Yours is a little bit worse, but i had mine resleeved with Darton MID sleeves by Darton. Darton cuts the entire stock sleeve out so if it didnt crack your actual block then i think it is resleeveable. good luck with the rebuild.

 

I dont feel bad for you cuz you are just asking for it...

build the damm motor then boost the crap outta it!

 

the #3 cylinder always runs hottest/leanest due to 2 combustion events occuring around it before it fires... this is most likely the problem. the cure would be to datalog egt's in all cylinders and adjust injector trim for each individual injector

 

I always have had bad luck with cylinder 3 and 1. Go with erl man.. Sean will take care of you.

 

Ouch....I think my heart would have looked a bit like that sleeve if it happened to me.
what block is it? and what power were u making?

 

the car dynoed 480whp @ 19psi reving to 8500.

it made 397whp@13-14psi reving to 9500.

at the track I was at 24psi in 3rd & 4th gear reving to 9500.

I knew it was coming, just had seen people push it and thought i'll try the same. I have a spare b18a block and a know a guy at ERL currently selling a superdeck 2 b16 bored to 84mm, so i may just jump on that. if this block is garbage.

Time per datalogs was 15.5 degrees at anything over 18psi. timing per romeditor was 17.5 degrees. still pretty conservative compared to what alot of the locals run around here. I don't relaly see this as a tuning issue, as the tops of the pistons are detonation free. this is just one of those, when making 550whp on stock sleeves, sometimes they get pissed and let go. I probably should have pulled out timing a little more, but anything over 500whp is a ticking bomb.

 

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build the damm motor then boost the crap outta it!</TD></TR></TABLE>

this engine was built 3 yrs ago. it has the small bolt arp eagle rods with endyn 81.5mm pistons. 3yrs ago, people told me if i planned to go over 300whp i should sleeve it. I thought that was nuts, and i set my goal of 300whp. this past winter, i thought 300whp wasn't enough so thought 500whp would be fun and thought with all the guys doing it, lets see if i can do it. well i lasted through alot of street pulls, 10-15 1/8th miles and almost 1 1/4 mile

 

any other opinions on whether it is sleeveable or not?

 

Well when they sleeve it they cut out most of that material, so I don't know why they couldn't do it. When you get it apart take it to Sean at ERL and see what he thinks since he's close.

 

erl is only 20 minutes away like you said...just go there and have them examine it.

 

yea, i just need to start pulling it out. I was goign to start ordering pistons/rods, etc so i could have everything ready to have ERL assemble it for me, but guess i should get it out of the car first.

right now i just have alot of options.

1. sleeve b18c block
2. sleeve b18a block
3. put ls crank in b18c block
4. buy superdeck2 b16 block, put ls crank in that block.

 

Is the one with cracked sleeves a B18C?

 

yep, cracked block was b18c

 

IMO, tuning nor power was the problem here. I forsee this as a combination of high side load on the cylinders caused by running it to such high rpm's.

On a side note, why are you ditching the pistons/rods combo? Not satisfied?

 

Damn sorry to see this. But take it down to Sean at ERL and he'll point you in the right direction for sure. Best of luck with the setup.

 

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you know i was thinking about that sideload too form the fast piston speed. But then again, you look at user "andrea" who makes 654whp on stock sleeves and they are reving high as well. I think once you get over 500whp on stock sleeves its a ticking time bomb.

for the piston/rod combo: I'm going to retain Endyn pistons, just move to 84mm. for rods, the eagle rods worked perfectly and I'm sure as soon as I pull the pistons out of the engine, that they will be within spec, so I'll probably end up selling the pistons/rods for like 250bucks just to get ride of them. I'm going manley just for peace of mind, the eagles can handle high hp, but with having CTR cams in the head, the power band is running to 8800+rpms. If i end up moving to a bigger turbo, that will probably shift upward, so i still want to be able to rev the engine.

I have found a sleeved block that's ready to go. Sean happens to have a B16 superdeck 2 that will go nicely with my crank and new pistons to allow me to have a 2.0L with alot better strength. Also comes with the imfamous ERL 5pt girdle. I'll most more picks as I get stuff ordered.

i haven't decided what crank i'm going to use yet, I can reuse my GSR crank, or use the LS crank i have. I know that the GSR crank could be sold with my old pistons & rods to try and recoup some costs. But i plan to drop off a pile of parts to ERL next week and let Sean & Jeff create me something that will laugh at 500whp and demand more

 

Too bad you don't have any EGT data from the #3 cylinder, i'd be interested to see how hot it got.