ok so i am new to this site and i am startin to learn alot of stuff about hondas now i was lookin topics and i came across this can a d16 really beat a b16 in a race or are people lyin please help me

 

lol, yeah it can. you gotta think about the driver.
and if your talking stock to stock.

but in most cases, no.

 

a turbo d could beat a b, but unless the d was turbo, i doubt it

 

the only reason i ask this is beacause im about to get a good deal on a 93 cx hatch with a d16z6 swap and i used to have a crx (rip) with only i/e/h with the d16a6and it beat a b16 hatch would this be the same with the weight to power?

 

yea you have to think about the car i have seen hatces with d-series motors with few bolt ons walk a 99 00 si

 

sohc it to em! d16 power!

 

power to weight

 

power to weight, and GEARING. How many people forget that. A D16Y8 with bolt ons and a high *** final drive verse a automatic 4 speed B18B, yea the D16 could win. But shove on a JDM ITR tranny, and the gear ratios are suddenly very agressive.

 

i'd say about half the reason for that is the driver. The other half could be like mods to the d16.

things like port and polish and chipped ecu could go a long way with the right driver.

 

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The B16s are just as torqueless as the D16s, and if it's a car that weighs close to 600 lbs less, you don't have a helluva lot of a chance keeping up.

 

stock engine to engine in the same car, with same skill levels, no chance the d would win

 

My 96 EX (d16y8) with I/H/E and p28 beat my friends 99 SI with intake and a header. He still had a cat and stock exhaust. So yes, it can be done, but there are lots of aspects that come in to play. Its not always a cut and dry answer. I'd almost always put my money on the B-Series though.

 

depends on mods and driver.. weight/power ratio is an issue too

 

My turbo D16 beat a Celica GTS with I/H/E by about 3 car lengths... ALLLMOST took a Supercharged GrandAm GTP - He got me by a good 1/2 car length

 

no d16 stock can beat my VTAK b18c1!!!

 

Borderline bench-racing topic, but yes it's possible for even non-turbo D16 engines to outpull the B16A.

Perfect example:

My wife had a 1992 Civic Si HB with a B16A2 with i/h/e that ran awesome. It dyno'd 143whp, etc. etc - this was not a ragged-*** car.

I built a mild D16A6 with 89 Integra pistons, which raised the CR to 11:1, but everything else is stock. I did build a closer ratio transmission, but nothing better than the B16A tranny in my wife's car. this engine is in a 1990 Civic HB, which weighs about the same as my wife's car.

THE D16A6 SWAPPED HATCH IS DEAD EVEN WITH THE B16A HATCH.

Trust me this is 100% unbiased seeing as how I owned both cars and drove them back to back on many occasions. The D16A6 had better low-end grunt, and pulls better from light to light, whereas the B16A pulled better from a roll on the highway and had more top-end pull.

With a competant driver the SOHC could beat the DOHC consistently, but like others have said drivers can make or brake the "race."

 

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hahahahahahah... okay.... thats what the driver of a 93 dx hatch with b18c1 swap said to me (92 cx 93 d16z6 chipped computer cai 2 1/4 piping STOCK muffler) as i had him i ran a 10.01 9.92 10.34 he ran 10.6x 10.x 10.5x it does not mattar about the motor it is the DRIVER... i also beat my friends freshly 700 dollar tune wrx by 2 car lengths also 2 times we can argue about what motor or whatever all day long... but when it comes down to it... say me ive been racing for 6 years now i know how to drive mine and most anybodys car.. the other kid been racing for a year or 2 doesnt know how to drive that great yet will get own3d.

 

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lol u might be able to beat me only because i've been driving manual for only 3 weeks but im good now, B18C1 , p28 chipped ecu, hks intake, 5zigen headers and most importantly of course VTAK man!, if you dont believe me watch this video.

http://media.putfile.com/vtakvtrak

 

lets just say my d16y8 with bolts ons gave a b18 teggy a good run..lost by 1 1/2 in the 1/4...for the b16, i ran him from stop light to stop light..he had me by a front bumper...dang i need 2nd stage clutch!! ERR!!

 

Sadly, my D15B7 was beating B16's seven years ago......

Anyone remember Slater? I spanked his B16 Sol with my DX HB.......it was fun and the moment I decided to stay SOHC.

Besides, I've never seen a B get better than 35 mpg......I got a best of 53 mpg out of the DX this year.....

 

D beating a B, easily be true.

Stock B16 beating an SRT-4, dang-on bullshit.

 

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torgueless ?? well they are pretty good for a 1600CCM... you wanna have TQ. buy a V8...

 

i would go JDM D15b cuse those engine have almost as much TRQ and USDM B16s and could launch on an Si. Ive seen it donr before. But after like a lil before and after 3rd gear the b16 is catching up pretty fast.

 

It'll admit this:

My B16A/LS tranny coupe VS my buddies D16Z6 full swap CX hatch.

My car is full interior, full options, spare tire.

His car was completely gutted, even the headliner.

From a stop he could tie with me. On the freeway, we'd be side by side, with me only pulling after 100.

I gutted it for the track, for 1 day, then afterwards, we did a 20 roll and I killed him good.

Before I had B16, I had D16Z6, and I raced him.

His was gutted, he'd freshly had the Z6 swapped in but was still using his CX tranny and exhaust manifold, and full CX exhaust at the time, and had a DX ECU. Mine was stock D16Z6.

HE only lost by like a car length, with ALL that bottlenecking!!!!!
from a 60 roll! CX hatch completely gutted, D16Z6 with NO VTEC, and CX tranny, and CX 1 inch exhaust!!!!!!

I see why people love the EG/EH2 CX hatch, but coupes still look better.

 

Thanks for all your help