97-01 or pre-97???
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97-01 or pre-97???
I'm in the market for a Honda Prelude. I have been for over a year now. I've always wanted a 97-01 because those cars are damn sexy. But recently the pre-97 models have grown on me.
So now I'm looking at both. I do want the VTEC model of the pre-97's and have a requirement that the car has less than 60k miles and STOCK. I know this will be hard to find, but I'm willing to travel to buy the car.
So it's either an 97-01 or a pre-97 VTEC, I would like you guy's opinion on which I should go with. I think the only mods I'd do at this point would be stiffer suspension, I don't want to be going any faster than I should be at this point in time.
My other choice is a Toyota MR2 Spyder, same requirements as the prelude. My dad is buying an S2000 and I am looking at either the MR2 or the Lude.
Unless you have overwhelming reasons to buy the MR2 over the Lude, I'll just stick to believing you guys like the Prelude better, and don't need to hear talk about how the MR2 sucks -- just forget I mentioned it and help me out with my Prelude debate.
Thanks in advance.
So now I'm looking at both. I do want the VTEC model of the pre-97's and have a requirement that the car has less than 60k miles and STOCK. I know this will be hard to find, but I'm willing to travel to buy the car.
So it's either an 97-01 or a pre-97 VTEC, I would like you guy's opinion on which I should go with. I think the only mods I'd do at this point would be stiffer suspension, I don't want to be going any faster than I should be at this point in time.
My other choice is a Toyota MR2 Spyder, same requirements as the prelude. My dad is buying an S2000 and I am looking at either the MR2 or the Lude.
Unless you have overwhelming reasons to buy the MR2 over the Lude, I'll just stick to believing you guys like the Prelude better, and don't need to hear talk about how the MR2 sucks -- just forget I mentioned it and help me out with my Prelude debate.
Thanks in advance.
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I'm not gonna tell you the MR2 sucks, but I wouldn't want one. Put just a little weight in the back, and your rear end slides out soooo easily. No wonder the newest ones don't have a trunk.
That being said, I own both the "pre 97" and the "97-01(!)" They're known as the 4th generation and 5th generation.
The 4th gen is more sporty in my opinion. It is much more of a driver's car. The VTEC model has leather seats, which is nice, assuming they're in good shape. There is a little more engine noise (but GOOD noise, I might add). But the biggest difference between the 4th gen Prelude and the 5th gen Prelude is the DASHBOARD. The electroluminescent dash (EL) is available on 94 to 96 Preludes. It is by far the most appealing thing about the 4th gen, to me anyways. It's like a jet's cockpit. Takes girls' clothes off as soon as they see it.
The 5th generation is more relaxed and more practical. The back seat is bigger. The trunk is a little bigger. The Type SH has the Active Torque Transfer System, which distributes power between the two front wheels to give you better handling (it's pretty cool, even if it does take a little getting used to.) The 5th gen rides a little softer. Also, the seats in the 5th gen are absolute garbage. I can't stand them.
They're really quite similar: controls are mostly in the same place, handling is similar, ride is similar, acceleration is similar-basically, try both out, and which ever one you like more, go with it. Obviously, the 4th gen will be significantly cheaper.
That being said, I own both the "pre 97" and the "97-01(!)" They're known as the 4th generation and 5th generation.
The 4th gen is more sporty in my opinion. It is much more of a driver's car. The VTEC model has leather seats, which is nice, assuming they're in good shape. There is a little more engine noise (but GOOD noise, I might add). But the biggest difference between the 4th gen Prelude and the 5th gen Prelude is the DASHBOARD. The electroluminescent dash (EL) is available on 94 to 96 Preludes. It is by far the most appealing thing about the 4th gen, to me anyways. It's like a jet's cockpit. Takes girls' clothes off as soon as they see it.
The 5th generation is more relaxed and more practical. The back seat is bigger. The trunk is a little bigger. The Type SH has the Active Torque Transfer System, which distributes power between the two front wheels to give you better handling (it's pretty cool, even if it does take a little getting used to.) The 5th gen rides a little softer. Also, the seats in the 5th gen are absolute garbage. I can't stand them.
They're really quite similar: controls are mostly in the same place, handling is similar, ride is similar, acceleration is similar-basically, try both out, and which ever one you like more, go with it. Obviously, the 4th gen will be significantly cheaper.
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RudeLude95 summed it up pretty damn well. 
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The electroluminescent dash (EL) is available on 94 to 96 Preludes. It is by far the most appealing thing about the 4th gen, to me anyways. It's like a jet's cockpit. Takes girls' clothes off as soon as they see it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The electroluminescent dash (EL) is available on 94 to 96 Preludes. It is by far the most appealing thing about the 4th gen, to me anyways. It's like a jet's cockpit. Takes girls' clothes off as soon as they see it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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I'm aware of most of those points, I knew the generation names but I remember reading something BB5 or something like that and didn't want to get flamed for saying the wrong ones, so i stuck with what I was sure about.
I don't mind the electroluminescent dash, I think it looks pretty cool. I've driven both, but the 4th gen I drove was automatic, so I don't count that.
I guess I'm either looking for a 4th gen where I can add the best suspension combo, or a 5th gen where I could do the same.
I'm assuming finding these cars under 50K is going to be difficult. I messed up and passed up an opportunity to buy a 5th gen with 20k miles for 16K in March, because I didn't know what my school situation would be. (I also passed up a 3rd gen RX-7 with 60k miles and a rebuilt engine for 13k in incredible shape for the same reasons). Now I'm back in the market.
The MR-2 will of course become more appealing as the prices drop, which does happen to roadsters in the winter. But I've been enamored with the prelude for so long, that it's really what I should buy. I should add that I like the idea of a 2 seater, and understand that the Prelude might as well be one. Not having to drive people around appeals to me, but the extra added space of having somewhere to throw my backpack that the lude has appeals even more.
I don't mind the electroluminescent dash, I think it looks pretty cool. I've driven both, but the 4th gen I drove was automatic, so I don't count that.
I guess I'm either looking for a 4th gen where I can add the best suspension combo, or a 5th gen where I could do the same.
I'm assuming finding these cars under 50K is going to be difficult. I messed up and passed up an opportunity to buy a 5th gen with 20k miles for 16K in March, because I didn't know what my school situation would be. (I also passed up a 3rd gen RX-7 with 60k miles and a rebuilt engine for 13k in incredible shape for the same reasons). Now I'm back in the market.
The MR-2 will of course become more appealing as the prices drop, which does happen to roadsters in the winter. But I've been enamored with the prelude for so long, that it's really what I should buy. I should add that I like the idea of a 2 seater, and understand that the Prelude might as well be one. Not having to drive people around appeals to me, but the extra added space of having somewhere to throw my backpack that the lude has appeals even more.
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I've always been partial to the Prelude. Even before I started driving.
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.
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I've always been partial to the Prelude. Even before I started driving.
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've always been partial to the Prelude. Even before I started driving.
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've always been partial to the Prelude. Even before I started driving.
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
REPOST!!! lol.. j/k... hut yea, its summed up \pretty well..best FWD car ever
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I've always been partial to the Prelude. Even before I started driving.
Overall, I was more happy driving my 4th gen, but it's almost impossible to find one in excellent shape simply because of the age of the car. It's going to be a 10 year old car, whereas a 5th gen is gonna be as little as four years old.
Either one is an excellent choice and will reward you with the best front wheel drive car ever created. I'll probably get some heat from the Integra drivers and stuff but screw them. The Prelude is the best and they are just jealous that they drive an economy car.</TD></TR></TABLE>
REPOST!!! lol.. j/k... hut yea, its summed up \pretty well..best FWD car ever
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i have a 4th gen prelude and just recently purchased a 91 mr2... i like the performance of the 91 mr2 much better than my prelude. the prelude is a real nice car but i wouldn't say it's better than the mr2...
After all... the mr2 is a top contender in the jgtc ;-)
Not to mention the preludes, the 4th gens usually get rust on the quarters, and the h23 is notorious for "valve slap"
Do your research, drive both cars, see which one works best for YOU.
Both cars are awesome, so either way in the end you are a winner.
Believe it or not.. but the only Honda's people in mr forums and toyota forums talk about are the Prelude and the NSX (rarely).
PRELUDE > INTEGRA definately.
PS - equally tuned mr2 vs equally tuned prelude... the mr2 would woop the preludes *** on the track. oversteer is preferred over understeer. the mid engine set up gives you a great weight balance, where as the prelude is rathe rheavy to begin with
After all... the mr2 is a top contender in the jgtc ;-)
Not to mention the preludes, the 4th gens usually get rust on the quarters, and the h23 is notorious for "valve slap"
Do your research, drive both cars, see which one works best for YOU.
Both cars are awesome, so either way in the end you are a winner.
Believe it or not.. but the only Honda's people in mr forums and toyota forums talk about are the Prelude and the NSX (rarely).
PRELUDE > INTEGRA definately.
PS - equally tuned mr2 vs equally tuned prelude... the mr2 would woop the preludes *** on the track. oversteer is preferred over understeer. the mid engine set up gives you a great weight balance, where as the prelude is rathe rheavy to begin with
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by prelude964 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">PS - equally tuned mr2 vs equally tuned prelude... the mr2 would woop the preludes *** on the track. oversteer is preferred over understeer. the mid engine set up gives you a great weight balance, where as the prelude is rathe rheavy to begin with</TD></TR></TABLE>
LOL, have you ever driven your Prelude on a real track? I have, and I know that the Prelude is VERY neutral. That's what is so cool about the Prelude. It has 63/37 weight distrbution and is still very neutral.
Besides, he is talking about the new MR2.
LOL, have you ever driven your Prelude on a real track? I have, and I know that the Prelude is VERY neutral. That's what is so cool about the Prelude. It has 63/37 weight distrbution and is still very neutral.
Besides, he is talking about the new MR2.
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The second generation MR2 is a completely different car as opposed to the 3rd gen, the MRS. The MRS would take a little bit of money into it to put it anywhere near that of a Second Gen Turbo.
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Re: 97-01 or pre-97??? (elementforlife)
Over the past 9 years, I've owned 2 different 1993 Prelude VTECs and 1 2000 Prelude VTEC. Right now, I've got a 1993 VTEC with only 56,000 original miles on it.
Both have their pros and cons comparatively:
93-96 VTEC
Pro:
Tighter 1-2 gearing for better acceleration
Awesome seats. Best seats of any Honda ever. Better than the S2000's
Lighter by maybe 80 lbs
Speed-sensitive steering
Con:
VERY rare car to begin with and difficult to find with low miles and not beat to crap
5th gear is pretty short and highway RPMs are often over 4000rpm at a cruise
15 year old ABS technology
Bad cargo space. Small trunk, no folding rear seatbacks.
Rear seats are for small children only.
97+
Pro:
Superior ABS system
great cargo space (I could fit my mountain bike inside it with the back seat folded.)
Newer car
Immobilizer stops at least amature theives
97+ were ALL VTECs so they are much easier to find than a 93-96 VTEC
5th gear is taller for lower highway crusing RPMS
Rear seat actually passable for 2 adults.
Con:
Slightly heavier than the 4th gen
RPM sensitive steering. And the power steering cannot keep up on an autox course.
More sensitive to heat. ECU more willing to cut timing (power) when it's hot out.
Andrew
Both have their pros and cons comparatively:
93-96 VTEC
Pro:
Tighter 1-2 gearing for better acceleration
Awesome seats. Best seats of any Honda ever. Better than the S2000's
Lighter by maybe 80 lbs
Speed-sensitive steering
Con:
VERY rare car to begin with and difficult to find with low miles and not beat to crap
5th gear is pretty short and highway RPMs are often over 4000rpm at a cruise
15 year old ABS technology
Bad cargo space. Small trunk, no folding rear seatbacks.
Rear seats are for small children only.
97+
Pro:
Superior ABS system
great cargo space (I could fit my mountain bike inside it with the back seat folded.)
Newer car
Immobilizer stops at least amature theives
97+ were ALL VTECs so they are much easier to find than a 93-96 VTEC
5th gear is taller for lower highway crusing RPMS
Rear seat actually passable for 2 adults.
Con:
Slightly heavier than the 4th gen
RPM sensitive steering. And the power steering cannot keep up on an autox course.
More sensitive to heat. ECU more willing to cut timing (power) when it's hot out.
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Re: 97-01 or pre-97??? (aklucsarits)
If you like old school, go 4th gen. I own a 5th gen and it is really nice. Just be sure to get an SH if you get a 5th gen. But don't get an SH if you want automatic seeing that SHs only come in stick. Anyhow, a 5th gen looks a lot better than a 4th gen imo, its just plain dead sexy. Not to mention a 5th gen comes standard with vtec, its just better performance. The 5th gen is also slightly larger than the 4th gen, nothing noticeable. Also, the 5th gen is pretty well acoustically tuned and has a great sound system as well as a nice looking interior. And if you're into better handling, definitely get a 5th gen SH, (SH stands for Super Handling, but I bet its actually just Soichiro Honda's initials) and it has an Active Torque Transfer System which virtually eliminates understeer. Just take a look at some of the good info posted here and some pics on google
Whatever you do, get a lude
Whatever you do, get a lude
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Re: (RudeLude95)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RudeLude95 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The electroluminescent dash (EL) is available on 94 to 96 Preludes. It is by far the most appealing thing about the 4th gen, to me anyways. It's like a jet's cockpit. Takes girls' clothes off as soon as they see it. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Just a correction to aklucsarits, the weight difference is more like 300lbs!
Edmunds:
5th - Curb Weight: 3042 lbs
4th - Curb Weight: 2765 lbs.
Damn, 5th gens are boats
Also, if you go with the 5th gen, stay very far away from the SS (sport shift) automatics.
I love my 4th gen, but wouldn't mind having a 5th gen in the garage either. Test drive them both, and see which you like better!
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Just a correction to aklucsarits, the weight difference is more like 300lbs!
Edmunds:
5th - Curb Weight: 3042 lbs
4th - Curb Weight: 2765 lbs.
Damn, 5th gens are boats
Also, if you go with the 5th gen, stay very far away from the SS (sport shift) automatics.
I love my 4th gen, but wouldn't mind having a 5th gen in the garage either. Test drive them both, and see which you like better!
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i wouldn't buy an automatic of my life depended on it...i sold my Saab 900 Turbo and was by default placed into a Volvo 850 Station Wagon...which wouldn't SUCK so bad if it weren't automatic.
I've extensively researched the 5th gen because that was what I was in the market for about a year ago, so this post was just to get all of you're opinion's on 4th vs. 5th gen preludes.
Those breakdowns are great, thanks aklucsarits.
I've extensively researched the 5th gen because that was what I was in the market for about a year ago, so this post was just to get all of you're opinion's on 4th vs. 5th gen preludes.
Those breakdowns are great, thanks aklucsarits.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by silverlude15 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">for your future reference, if you ever buy a prelude 4th gen si, aftermarket parts will be harder to come by.</TD></TR></TABLE>
like what, there is not one thing i have wanted to buy and not been able to yet....
the 3rd gen mr2 or mrs thing is crap, that motor isnt ever gonna make any kind of hp, and have fun trying to do a swap in that car
1.4liter < poop < h22
get a 4th gen vtec, you can find really really nice ones sometimes....i know you said it has to be stock, but darkbb4 has one of the cleanest ludes ever for sale currently....
like what, there is not one thing i have wanted to buy and not been able to yet....
the 3rd gen mr2 or mrs thing is crap, that motor isnt ever gonna make any kind of hp, and have fun trying to do a swap in that car
1.4liter < poop < h22
get a 4th gen vtec, you can find really really nice ones sometimes....i know you said it has to be stock, but darkbb4 has one of the cleanest ludes ever for sale currently....
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foshizllmynizl i may be interested.
I am awaiting my father's return from Afghanistan in November, at that point I will be looking to purchase. At this point I am looking for curiosity.
I am awaiting my father's return from Afghanistan in November, at that point I will be looking to purchase. At this point I am looking for curiosity.
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the 3rd gen mr2 or mrs thing is crap, that motor isnt ever gonna make any kind of hp, and have fun trying to do a swap in that car
1.4liter < poop < h22</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's a 1.8 liter. Same engine that is in the base Celica GT. The very easily done swap is the swap to a 2ZZ engine, the engine in the Celica GT-S and the Lotus Elise (albeit modified). The 2ZZ swap is also VERY cheap.
the 3rd gen mr2 or mrs thing is crap, that motor isnt ever gonna make any kind of hp, and have fun trying to do a swap in that car
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It's a 1.8 liter. Same engine that is in the base Celica GT. The very easily done swap is the swap to a 2ZZ engine, the engine in the Celica GT-S and the Lotus Elise (albeit modified). The 2ZZ swap is also VERY cheap.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PreluderH22 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Just a correction to aklucsarits, the weight difference is more like 300lbs!
Edmunds:
5th - Curb Weight: 3042 lbs
4th - Curb Weight: 2765 lbs.
Damn, 5th gens are boats
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not quite, i think you're comparing the lightest 4 gen(least powerful engine) w/ the heaviest 5gen(SH)
Just a correction to aklucsarits, the weight difference is more like 300lbs!
Edmunds:
5th - Curb Weight: 3042 lbs
4th - Curb Weight: 2765 lbs.
Damn, 5th gens are boats
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not quite, i think you're comparing the lightest 4 gen(least powerful engine) w/ the heaviest 5gen(SH)
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not quite, i think you're comparing the lightest 4 gen(least powerful engine) w/ the heaviest 5gen(SH)</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's correct. The base weighed 2954, while a 96 VTEC weighed in at 2932 lbs.
So a whopping 22 pounds difference.
not quite, i think you're comparing the lightest 4 gen(least powerful engine) w/ the heaviest 5gen(SH)</TD></TR></TABLE>
That's correct. The base weighed 2954, while a 96 VTEC weighed in at 2932 lbs.
So a whopping 22 pounds difference.
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Re: 97-01 or pre-97??? (elementforlife)
Well so much for Edmunds 
Gave me the impression my car was much lighter than it is...
I get different numbers on every site I look at... I'm assuming you're getting these numbers from the manual? Probably the only reliable source...
Gave me the impression my car was much lighter than it is...I get different numbers on every site I look at... I'm assuming you're getting these numbers from the manual? Probably the only reliable source...
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Re: (csulliva)
I was going by the actual measured weights of my two cars, not the manufactuer's published curb weights.
My 2000 Prelude weighed 2865lbs completely stock as delivered from the factory with spare tire/jack and all but with minimal fuel in the tank.
My current 1993 Prelude VTEC weighed 2785lbs on cornerweight scales, again with minimal fuel and 100% bone stock down to the s**tty factory OE Michelin MXV4 tires.
Total difference was 80 lbs.
Andrew
My 2000 Prelude weighed 2865lbs completely stock as delivered from the factory with spare tire/jack and all but with minimal fuel in the tank.
My current 1993 Prelude VTEC weighed 2785lbs on cornerweight scales, again with minimal fuel and 100% bone stock down to the s**tty factory OE Michelin MXV4 tires.
Total difference was 80 lbs.
Andrew