NCcwITR

ok.. i have a 97 ITR with 168,000 miles.. yes.. 168 thousand lol...i have a extra 850bucks laying around and wanted to ask you guys what you'd do to the motor next.... i dont need cosmetic ****.. and i have all the basic bolt ons.. I/H/E.. and a Vafc.. so.... what would u do w/ 850, motor wise?

Dave_B

Well if it were me.....I'd go with an ATS 4.9 final drive, but that's me.

fastvtecCL

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apex power FC

StreetEG

Neptune/hondata, a tune up, a big mac meal

mehdiR

light weight FW, perhaps

Bbasso

Track time?
Perhaps pay the Ins off for the year?

Black R

freshen up the motor, if it hasn't been rebuild already - and replace timing belt, water pump, oil pump, tensioner, etc...

If you're on top of your maintenance schedule, then how about neptune or crome + some cams, valvesprings, retainers?

final drive, clutch, flywheel?

I can keep going - I have lots of nice ideas.....

Bbasso

Oh... How about light weight wheels? Effects everything

ebelp

With that many miles, I'm sure there's some routine maintenance that could be done. Timing belt, water pump, tensioner? Valve adjustment? New tranny bearings?

mehdiR

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Black R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">freshen up the motor, if it hasn't been rebuild already - and replace timing belt, water pump, oil pump, tensioner, etc...

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type_r_jon

in addition to what everyone else said....

pulleys: crank pulleys + acces pulleys (not a huge gain, but something)
igntion: 8.5 MM wires, msd cap/coil
rotors: x-drilled

there is about 850, enjoy, should have enough for that big mac meal too....

wpsadmin

401k? LOL

Bbasso

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type_r_jon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
pulleys: crank pulleys + acces pulleys (not a huge gain, but something)
ignition: 8.5 MM wires, msd cap/coil
rotors: x-drilled
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Those have to be the worst things to recommend...
Crank pulley on a motor with that many miles could only spell trouble.
MSD wires and such only give headaches from falling off and mis-fires.
and Xdrilled rotors, for what, make the braking zone longer?

type_r_jon

Crank pulley on a motor with that many miles could only spell trouble...never heard of that before
MSD wires and such only give headaches from falling off and mis-fires...been using sets of msd wires for 50 k....never a problem
x driller rotots - braking zone longer ..... come again?

But I do respect your opinion Rob, you've givin me good advise in the past. I can only speak from experience and all those items improved performance for my car. The cap/coil/wires improved throttle response, the unorthodox pulleys netted me 3-4 whp and the brembo's I find cooled better when I was circuit racing.




Modified by type_r_jon at 6:55 AM 8/23/2005

Bbasso

Crank pulley - there was many concerns about them slowly killing a motor due to unbalancing- read- https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=585226 &
Your search for crank pulley returned 38 results.

MSD- just search for how much neg feedback they had. You are one of the luck ones that did not have any problems.

Xdrilled rotors have less surface area for the pads to grab, don't do much for cooling and are more prone to cracking under heat conditions. Would you like me to continue? Ok ... one more, why spend the money on them when Autozone rotors for a mere $25 work great and when you consider that pads and rotors are a wearable item it would be silly to spend any more then necessary?

I hope that a few members here jump in and give their opinions

type_r_jon

I hope that a few members here jump in and give their opinions [/QUOTE]

I agree and respect your opinion Rob, more opinions are welcome. If you wanna shoot down or recomend my upgrades, give er. But like I said I can only speak from experience...

Bbasso

You have been fortunate and continued good luck with those parts

type_r_jon

Glass is half full brother...anytime your modding your car with aftermarket parts there are risks cause your car was designed for OE parts not what your putting on....but like I was saying to the dude who made the original post Rob is a smart guy, when I was a nubey asking all kinds of stupid questions he gave me some solid answers. Just listen to everyone's opinions and then do some research. I used Unorthodox, MSD, and Brembo all respected names. I've had all those parts for well over 50,000 M and never a problem.

type_r_jon

some more fun reading for you Rob.....If I get some more time I'll tackle your other 2 points....give Shawn a shout at UR if you still don't believe me....enjoy the read....

[QUOTE=Bbasso]Crank pulley - there was many concerns about them slowly killing a motor due to unbalancing- read- https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=585226 &
Your search for crank pulley returned 38 results.

Hello again....

I've been talkin to some friends on Honda-Tech and they warned be that the
UR crank pulley will eventually kill my motor by unbalance, is there any
truth to this? and will UR pay for any engine damage as a result of it's
crank pulley causing it? Why I believe that there is truth to this is
because AEM does not make a crank pulley....

thanks again. Jon


Our pulleys are 0 gram balanced which is identical to the OE Honda
crank pulley and better than the crank pulleys of other car manufacturers
that are usually 2-5 grams out of balance. Our pulleys have been on the
market since 1997 and we have never had a customer have any problems because
of the crank pulley.
Be careful what you believe because a brand says or does, doesn't do
something. A great example is that AEM underdrives way too much with their
accessory pulleys, 35+%, which causes voltage problems and p/s issues but
they still make them. Our pulleys underdrive less than 20% because our big
HP gains come from weight reduction versus the OE pulleys especially the
crank pulley.

Anytime,
Shawn Baumgartner
P: 631.586.9525 x.16
F: 631.586.2599
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Sears [mailto:jon@herliheynewsome.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:43 AM
To: 'Unorthodox Racing'
Subject: RE: belt question

Jowee

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Great suggestion!!!! Check sig

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type_r_jon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">in addition to what everyone else said....

pulleys: crank pulleys + acces pulleys (not a huge gain, but something)
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Got those too.

Sehc Tib Alli Zerif!!!!!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by type_r_jon &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">some more fun reading for you Rob.....If I get some more time I'll tackle your other 2 points....give Shawn a shout at UR if you still don't believe me....enjoy the read....

[QUOTE=Bbasso]Crank pulley - there was many concerns about them slowly killing a motor due to unbalancing- read- https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=585226 &
Your search for crank pulley returned 38 results.

Hello again....

I've been talkin to some friends on Honda-Tech and they warned be that the
UR crank pulley will eventually kill my motor by unbalance, is there any
truth to this? and will UR pay for any engine damage as a result of it's
crank pulley causing it? Why I believe that there is truth to this is
because AEM does not make a crank pulley....

thanks again. Jon


Our pulleys are 0 gram balanced which is identical to the OE Honda
crank pulley and better than the crank pulleys of other car manufacturers
that are usually 2-5 grams out of balance. Our pulleys have been on the
market since 1997 and we have never had a customer have any problems because
of the crank pulley.
Be careful what you believe because a brand says or does, doesn't do
something. A great example is that AEM underdrives way too much with their
accessory pulleys, 35+%, which causes voltage problems and p/s issues but
they still make them. Our pulleys underdrive less than 20% because our big
HP gains come from weight reduction versus the OE pulleys especially the
crank pulley.

Anytime,
Shawn Baumgartner
P: 631.586.9525 x.16
F: 631.586.2599
http://www.unorthodoxracing.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Sears [mailto:jon@herliheynewsome.ca]
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 10:43 AM
To: 'Unorthodox Racing'
Subject: RE: belt question

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Rob is just going on the word from people he has talked and heard from. He also states <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bbasso &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You have been fortunate and continued good luck with those parts </TD></TR></TABLE>. I have heard the same things, my car came with MSD and runs great and I get 36mpg. Some people do some things and some people do others, all we can hope for is for the stuff that we do we do it well and it works.

[QUOTE=Bbasso]Track time?
Perhaps pay the Ins off for the year?[/QUOTE]

I was gonna say that, that way you have more money over the next few months instead of just this month .

Second would be maintnance on that 160k beast.

Bbasso

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by walker111 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Rob is just going on the word from people he has talked and heard from.
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What does this mean?
Was it facetious or ???

type_r_jon

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What does this mean?
Was it facetious or ???</TD></TR></TABLE>

i'm lost too

Sehc Tib Alli Zerif!!!!!

Ok, I'm dumb. I dont know if you(Rob) tried MSD and pulleys, or you're like me and have only heard the negative feedback on them. What I was trying to say is that you are giving him the feedback that you have recieved either by searching, reading, or talking to people that have tried them.

Reading over what I posted, it does sound confusing. I think I confused myself

Dave_B

I personally had the MSD wires on my LS. Never had a problem with them. Dunno about the pulleys though. I've always heard it's more for V8's