What are the specs for the J's Racing B18C engine?

hp?
cr?
blue printed?
which camshaft? etc

 

Just checked there site and can't find anything on it. You may want to email them for the specs.

 

ask http://www.aj-racing.com

 

Use the link in my sig to ATS-USA and contact Yasu.

He works extremely closely with J's and ATS. J's build the motors in both his CTR and ITR. Tech's from J's Japan actually came to the US to dyno tune his CTR a few years back.

http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/photos/civic-new.shtml



Engine
• B16B base 1.8 liter, prepped by J's Racing
Civic Type R piston 0.25 over sized
Integra Type R connecting rod modified
Compression ratio 12.2:1
Toda Type B camshaft, Toda valve spring & retainer
Full balance, Toda cam gear
218hp at the wheel
• Toda sports injection (ITB) w/ SEV
Air box is custom made by Precision Racing in MA
• ATS 4.928 Final Gear
• ATS Limited Slip Differential (type D20)
• ATS single carbon clutch (1,600kg pressure plate)
• J's Racing racing computer
Specially tuned for this motor and Toda ITB
• J's Racing special aluminum racing radiator
• Accusump
• Cusco Racing drive shaft
• J's Racing differential cooler
• Oil cooler
• Toda oil pump
• J's racing fuel delivery system
Fuel cell with Nissan skyline GTR fuel pump, fuel regulator

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http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/photos/DC2-new.shtml



Engine
• Prepped by J's Racing
Civic Type R piston 0.25 over sized
Full flow modified connecting rod & crank
Compression ratio 12.0:1
Toda Type B camshaft, Toda valve spring & retainer
Full balance, ported for a better air flow, Toda cam gear
200hp at the wheel
• J's Racing carbon tsuchinoko chamber (intake) w/heat shield
• ATS close ratio gear set (3rd+4th+5th)
• ATS Limited Slip Differential (type D20)
• ATS single carbon clutch Pro Spec (1,300kg)
• J's Racing racing computer
• Feels radiator
• Toda oil pump
• J's Racing fuel delivery system

 

That is what the shop told me when I bought one 2 years ago.

It is a rebuild JDM B18C Type R engine.

- minor P&P head
- oversize JDM ITR piston (11.1:1 CR)
- balanced and blueprint
- J's Racing valve cover
- Buffered oil pan
- stock JDM ITR cams and headgasket

That's all I can remember for now. I actually got an email from J's with the spec. but I couldn't find it now.
I dynoed around 1.5 years ago on a Dynopak with custom short ram intake, Spoon header, Kakimoto R exhaust, and Hondata. It made around 185 whp after 1 hour of tuning.

 

I would love to see a comparison between the spoon/J's... I wonder how close they would match up. I'm guessing pretty close, but I would put money on spoon as far as endurance. Any first hand experience out there?

Tristan
00-0503

 

Before I bought the J's engine, I was running the Spoon balanced engine.

 

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Holy crap...how many engines do you go through??????

 

&lt;fast and furious&gt; More than you can afford pal&lt;/fast and furious&gt;

 

^^^Hahaha^^

Wow, the specs on the motors stated above are prety intense

 

I didn't see any power ratings...

Interesting that the teg is lighter than the civic!

 

The engine in their yellow race car (will dig out a picture later) was a B20 Vtec.

 

How would you compare the two?


Tristan
00-0503

 

Does anyone have a bigger pic of this ITB setup?? This setup looks interesting.

 

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Tristan
00-0503</TD></TR></TABLE>

Since when does spoon use such parts? I've never heard of a spoon race engine that had anything by stock parts or pretty mild (rules abiding) parts???


Modified by Chris N at 10:15 AM 8/11/2005

 

[QUOTE=Chris N]

Since when does spoon use such parts? I've never heard of a spoon race engine that had anything by stock parts or pretty mild (rules abiding) parts???

Umm.. don't think I said anything about parts.
I think the only thing they have is their balanced pistons and head gaskit. I could be wrong about the pistons, but I know the engine is blue printed and balanced. I'm just curious to hear first hand overall opinions of the two.

Tristan
00-0503

 

"how close they match up"

The J's has much higher compression, ITBs, and Toda B's. If you take a look at the gearbox too, it has a different FD, LSD, clutch, etc. The Spoon is... all stock. Maybe balanced/blueprinted/etc. Given what series it was ran in I'd say stock airbox, stock internals, stock clutch, stock FD. Not much to compare 'performance' wise.

I'd say the J's is much more powerful, and the ATS LSD is awesome in comparision to the OEM ITR LSD. These really is apples/oranges.

I guess I just don't understand what 'how close they match up means' - but it seems from your last statement that what you actually want is more detailed information on each, and not a comparision, b/c what is to compare? We pretty much know the specs on the Spoon engine, and Anton listed some specs above for the J's engines....

chris - who doesn't think there is much good first-hand information on these engines b/c very, very few [if that] on here [that I know of] have any experience with said engines.

 

where might one find those fender flairs for the dc?

 

I would say both engine are very similar in term of power.

Spoon engine basically is a new engine from Honda, with balanced pistons and Spoon headgasket.

J's Racing engine is a used Type R engine rebuild by J's Racing with OEM parts and a minor P&P head. Also a buffered oil pan. J's Racing engine only come with stock ITR cams and not Toda B.

I can't really say which engine is better because I was using Toda B cams with the Spoon engine and only stock ITR cams with the J's Racing engine.

But I would say the J's Racing engine should be a bit more powerful, since it has oversize pistion and a P&P head. The Spoon engine only have a Spoon headgasket to up the compression to 11.3:1CR. But then you are getting a NEW engine from the Spoon and a rebuild USED one from J's Racing.

 

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.....he uses toda itb's along with a custom airbox and filter combo.

You can get all the info off the website: http://www.a-t-s-usa.com and click on shop cars.


-hth

 

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contact SN = rodney here on HT for the civic. They fiber glass and are custom made somewhere in the tri-state area. The ITR you'd have to contact Yasu himself through ATS-USA.

 

"Here are the details of the Spoon "engine" / longblock once again:

- it is a new 98 spec R longblock
- internal components are JDM OE Honda with the following exceptions
- it is fully balanced and blueprinted
- it uses the Spoon 2 piece headgasket for a compression ratio of 11.3:1
- it uses the Spoon oil pump which is stronger and more effective than the OE Honda one
- it should put out around 180hp at the wheel

what is 'balanced and blueprinted by Spoon'?
- all engine components are weighed to 0.01grams precision
- engine components such as pistons and rods are balanced, they all weigh within 0.01gram of each other
- Spoon is able to balance these components because they order/weigh/sort hundreds of pistons, rods, etc. from Honda and sort them into balanced sets
- bolts are torqued within 0.01N/M of Honda specs
- what does balancing and blueprinting do? it makes the engine run incredibly smooth, reduces power lost to inefficiency, power delivery is extremely smooth, power is higher across the entire rpm band compared to a Honda assembled engine, engine/throttle response is much better, the engine revs smoother/faster and is able to withstand high rpm better, engine life is improved considerably especially in race environments

why does Spoon offer this engine?
- Spoon's core philosophy is in balance: good power, good driving feel, and long life. this engine offers all
- circuit racing requirements differ from drag racing: an engine with the aforementioned characteristics is preferred in circuit racing over a high power, less reliable engine which might be favored in drag racing
- these engines are frequently bought by pro race teams competing according to FIA Group N regulations which require stock internal motors. hence they need an engine which has maximum effectiveness and efficiency using stock parts

who should consider a Spoon engine?
- pro/amateur racers requiring a motor in stock trim (FIA Group N)
- circuit racers/enthusiasts who want an optimized stock motor for circuit use
- people who want a new stock or reliable motor with decent power

who shouldn't consider a Spoon engine?
- drag racers
- people on tight budget or DIY
- people who want a high power setup, N/A or Turbo
- people who don't care about or aren't sensitive to subjective intangibles such as driving feel or engine response

what is the price of a Spoon engine or block?
- it is priced comparably to the price of a new b18c5 longblock/shortblock from Acura considering the work Spoon has put into it
- remember it is a NEW longblock/shortblock
- price fluctuates with supply and demand, although spoon engines aren't common here, remember that they are very common and popular in Japan and Asia
- expect price to increase over time as the supply of b18c components dwindles
- contact an authorized Spoon dealer such as IPS, R&D, A&J for a price quote

does/why doesn't Spoon offer a high power engine?
- again, Spoon's philosophy is balance. to Spoon, high power is only worthwhile if the engine can endure the stress of a 24 hour race. to Spoon, a street tuned engine needs to be comfortable and reliable while delivering improved power and driving feel
- Spoon has built and sold high power engines with 200+whp... high compression kits and stroker kits including a 2L kit for the 18C. However, the reliability and engine life of these engines still aren't good enough for Spoon's standards and hence Spoon does not offer them anymore
- Spoon doesn't drag race


Credit to Spikey from a long time ago

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B2FiNiTY &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ask http://www.aj-racing.com </TD></TR></TABLE>

to me, they are the gurus when it comes to j's racing products!

 

Now thats poetry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Thanks for the info..


Tristan
00-0503