Any itr guys using this? Seems like a very good header for the amount of money. Dyno charts say a 15 hp increase over hytech in the midrange and 1hp increase on top http://www.sparkracing.com/pro...f0ead

plus its only 600 and ss.

 

There's no link to any dyno chart there, just a link to the product. Seems doubtful to me though that 15hp could be found over the Hytech with no other modifications. Maybe different types of dynos used to test each header?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by sscguy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">There's no link to any dyno chart there, just a link to the product. Seems doubtful to me though that 15hp could be found over the Hytech with no other modifications. Maybe different types of dynos used to test each header?</TD></TR></TABLE>

lemmie see if i can find it

 

Took the ITR to Hookups to let Chris test the Sparks Racing stainless header against the Hytech header that's on the car. The Sparks header is a tight fit with A/C-some FAL fans would be nice. Peak power with the two headers was comparable, within 1 hp. In the mid range the Sparks header beat the Hytech by a good 14 hp. RPM pick up was problematic, so no torque graph, but the Sparks made about 10 more ft-lbs. of torque at 6,400. Graph:

link https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1281864

 

are you being sponsored, or being paid by spark racing?

sounds like you have something vested.

 

impressive but what mods are done to the ITR?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 255.255.255.255 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">are you being sponsored, or being paid by spark racing?

sounds like you have something vested.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Or I'm just interested in the product

 

SMSP clone.

 

looks nice, anybody want to send me a free one to dyno test with?

 

does that eliminate the cat?

 

that's pretty good deal

 

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It's a copy of an earlier generation SMS header. The current design header from SMS looks different.

Since that time, too, SMS has branched out quite a bit and offers different kinds of solutions for the same motor, although you will probably not catch him with every solution in stock every time you call.

There was even a coated mild steel version of the B18 header available from SMS for something like $700. I don't know if he still offers that.

http://www.sms-products.com/ will show the current header designs.

I don't know how mad you can get at Sparks Racing for making a proved design available for a good price, but if you object to that kind of thing you might be able to find the original designer's pieces available for not much more.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a copy of an earlier generation SMS header. The current design header from SMS looks different.

Since that time, too, SMS has branched out quite a bit and offers different kinds of solutions for the same motor, although you will probably not catch him with every solution in stock every time you call.

There was even a coated mild steel version of the B18 header available from SMS for something like $700. I don't know if he still offers that.

http://www.sms-products.com/ will show the current header designs.

I don't know how mad you can get at Sparks Racing for making a proved design available for a good price, but if you object to that kind of thing you might be able to find the original designer's pieces available for not much more.</TD></TR></TABLE>

The quality of sms is known, but seems like nobody knows the quality of spark racing. May be better to stick with the real thing?

 

it's supposed to be a copy of the early sms headers

 

These headers are supposed to have really good clearance correct? I might replace my JDM DC and this looks like a nice alternative.

 

that's bullshit. vtec comes in earlier on the spark (red) dyno plot. total bullshit. thats what the 15 hp is. how are they gonna change the tune and claim that??

anyone who would do that to sell a header is not gettin my money

 

Interesting. Seems like we need another unbiased and unaffiiliated comparison or something.

 

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The quality of sms is known, but seems like nobody knows the quality of spark racing. May be better to stick with the real thing?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes sir. SMSP's quality, performance, and customer service are superb, and I'd personally much rather pay a small amount more and know that I'm getting a truly top-shelf product rather than purchase a less expensive knock-off of an older design.

 

Heres the guy who dynoed the sprakracing header agianst the hytech:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1281864



Modified by SpdFrk at 8:25 PM 8/7/2005

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ShadyEH2 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that's bullshit. vtec comes in earlier on the spark (red) dyno plot. total bullshit. thats what the 15 hp is. how are they gonna change the tune and claim that??

anyone who would do that to sell a header is not gettin my money </TD></TR></TABLE>

you should probably read a thread before you call bullshit

 

VTEC was the same for both headers-I did all of the tuning myself on my laptop. Chris at Hookups just made the runs, and his helper did the header swap. There is no doubt that on my particular motor, with my particular head, intake, and cams, that the Sparks SMSP copy had a much stronger mid-range. The Hytech was better on top. The results may be different on a different engine package.
I probably would not run the Sparks header due to the fitment problems with the A/C fan. It is what it is. For people on a budget it's not a bad deal. I can't say if the header will work long term as far as durability. If I was to want to run a header like this, I would buy the original from Dave.

 

I'm very interested

 

OMG dont call bullshit, SRZ down here has the header now for weeks, and has seen proven gains.

get the header. or if u wana pay the guy who designed them, call SMS