h22 in an ef
06-29-2005, 07:00 AM
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h22 in an ef
i have a 1991 civic si hatch with a b16 and i plan on swapping it for a h22. i heard things about understeer and thats its heavy. im not worried about steering since i just want to use it for 1/4 mile. and i can get it for 1800. so wut do u think. is it worth it? a shop that i talked to said he can put it in for 500. and then just buy parts like axels, shift linkage and mounts. the only thing to worry about it wiring. is that true? i plan this to be my final swap i ever do to this car. let me know if i am wasting my time and money?
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Re: h22 in an ef (highrevnef)
i personally think that its a waste of time and money. by the time you get that swap done, you would have spend quite a bit of money. when you could just use the money towards parts for your b16.
you would have to strengthen the front suspension as well due to the fact that the h22 weighs more. if it is performance you want, build your motor and get a turbo kit, a few might agree with me here.
you would have to strengthen the front suspension as well due to the fact that the h22 weighs more. if it is performance you want, build your motor and get a turbo kit, a few might agree with me here.
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Re: h22 in an ef (strictlyimport)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by strictlyimport »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i personally think that its a waste of time and money. by the time you get that swap done, you would have spend quite a bit of money. when you could just use the money towards parts for your b16.
you would have to strengthen the front suspension as well due to the fact that the h22 weighs more. if it is performance you want, build your motor and get a turbo kit, a few might agree with me here. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Very true. you need to do a good deal of suspension work. i personally feel its a waste. i rather have a all motor b16. build it up to some high compression. big cams and rape. cheaper and better in my opinion. or you can always turbo it
you would have to strengthen the front suspension as well due to the fact that the h22 weighs more. if it is performance you want, build your motor and get a turbo kit, a few might agree with me here.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Very true. you need to do a good deal of suspension work. i personally feel its a waste. i rather have a all motor b16. build it up to some high compression. big cams and rape. cheaper and better in my opinion. or you can always turbo it
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Re: h22 in an ef (highrevnef)
The swap is not as easy as you listed above. The h22 into ef is pretty darn hard and a shop that would say they would do it for $500 have no idea how much work is involved. For the moment no one out there makes a decent mount kit and the only way possible is a weld in kit. So custom motor mounts are required. Then you will need either an accord/prelude shifter assembly, I went with the 90-93 accord less bulky then the prelude. You will need a custom traction bar, No aftermarket ones will work with out modification to radius rod ears. Axles will be either a hybrid or completely custom might be able to get away with 86-89 teg axles on one side and 90-93 teg on the other, But most likely it will be custom and custom axles go for around $500+. Then you will need to convert or make a clutch cable bracket and modify it to fit on the h22 hydro tranny. Those are just the main items. You are right bout one thing wirring will be the easiest part of the swap. It would cost anywhere from $1000-2500 to do the swap. It is not easy and would take a normal shop working all day on it 2 weeks to do or more. I am considering on making a copy of the complete kit but wouldnt be cheap.
06-29-2005, 02:16 PM
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Re: h22 in an ef (ExplicitSpeed360)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExplicitSpeed360 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The swap is not as easy as you listed above. The h22 into ef is pretty darn hard and a shop that would say they would do it for $500 have no idea how much work is involved. For the moment no one out there makes a decent mount kit and the only way possible is a weld in kit. So custom motor mounts are required. Then you will need either an accord/prelude shifter assembly, I went with the 90-93 accord less bulky then the prelude. You will need a custom traction bar, No aftermarket ones will work with out modification to radius rod ears. Axles will be either a hybrid or completely custom might be able to get away with 86-89 teg axles on one side and 90-93 teg on the other, But most likely it will be custom and custom axles go for around $500+. Then you will need to convert or make a clutch cable bracket and modify it to fit on the h22 hydro tranny. Those are just the main items. You are right bout one thing wirring will be the easiest part of the swap. It would cost anywhere from $1000-2500 to do the swap. It is not easy and would take a normal shop working all day on it 2 weeks to do or more. I am considering on making a copy of the complete kit but wouldnt be cheap. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Not true. My local shop would do it for $500 all day long. No it doesnt take a shop working all day 2 weeks to get it done if they have a CLUE what they are doing. $1000 is the most it should cost for this swap for axles, mounts, and install. Have you actually done the swap before? I say go for it, the weight difference between a b16 and a h22 complete swap is about 80lbs, so stick the battery in the back, upgrade the suspension if you haven't done so already and run it. My friends 91 si w/ h22 doesn 12.8 on little baby slicks. Engine is bone stock with lsd tranny. Sell the b16 swap and you have a big chunk of the cost involved covered. h22 ef's move in stock form, throw on a power adder and they get sick fast in a hurry.
Not true. My local shop would do it for $500 all day long. No it doesnt take a shop working all day 2 weeks to get it done if they have a CLUE what they are doing. $1000 is the most it should cost for this swap for axles, mounts, and install. Have you actually done the swap before? I say go for it, the weight difference between a b16 and a h22 complete swap is about 80lbs, so stick the battery in the back, upgrade the suspension if you haven't done so already and run it. My friends 91 si w/ h22 doesn 12.8 on little baby slicks. Engine is bone stock with lsd tranny. Sell the b16 swap and you have a big chunk of the cost involved covered. h22 ef's move in stock form, throw on a power adder and they get sick fast in a hurry.
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Re: h22 in an ef (88 Crx Si)
I'm tired of people bagging on the h22.
An allmotor b16? Please. Turbo B16? Maybe, but a stock jdm h22a has 160lbs of torque. You can work all day with a b16/b20 block to try to get that much torque.
Word on the street is Hasport is currently making a mount kit for h22s into crxs.
Understeer is not that bad, the h22 isn't a diesel motor guys. It's only about 45 lbs more than a b18, yet nobody claims the b18 is heavy?
All in all, you add about 150lbs to the front end compared to your stock d series. But you get ~200hp and 160lbs of torque. My friend had a jdm h22a in his FOUR DOOR ACCORD, and he ran circles around b16 efs all day.
The h22a is no joke, and i'm tired of people downplaying it just because it's a little heavier than the b series.
Get DA axles, and integ suspension up front, and you'll be fine. Try to push back your motor as far back as you can, so less weight is right on the front wheels.
Is it more work than a B series swap? Well yeah it is. But spend a little bit more money now, and you'll have a motor that has more torque than a B series no matter how much money you put into it.
An allmotor b16? Please. Turbo B16? Maybe, but a stock jdm h22a has 160lbs of torque. You can work all day with a b16/b20 block to try to get that much torque.
Word on the street is Hasport is currently making a mount kit for h22s into crxs.
Understeer is not that bad, the h22 isn't a diesel motor guys. It's only about 45 lbs more than a b18, yet nobody claims the b18 is heavy?
All in all, you add about 150lbs to the front end compared to your stock d series. But you get ~200hp and 160lbs of torque. My friend had a jdm h22a in his FOUR DOOR ACCORD, and he ran circles around b16 efs all day.
The h22a is no joke, and i'm tired of people downplaying it just because it's a little heavier than the b series.
Get DA axles, and integ suspension up front, and you'll be fine. Try to push back your motor as far back as you can, so less weight is right on the front wheels.
Is it more work than a B series swap? Well yeah it is. But spend a little bit more money now, and you'll have a motor that has more torque than a B series no matter how much money you put into it.
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Re: h22 in an ef (88 Crx Si)
waste of time/money, gonna be breaking axles like nothing, and ******* up ur suspension...if ur gonna swap out ur B16...put in a GSR
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Re: h22 in an ef (88 Crx Si)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 88 Crx Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I walked over a accord with a h22 swap
with my 88 crx si stock b16a
so idk...</TD></TR></TABLE>
JDM H22A with LSD, stage 2 clutch, and a generic ebay short ram.
with my 88 crx si stock b16a
so idk...</TD></TR></TABLE>
JDM H22A with LSD, stage 2 clutch, and a generic ebay short ram.
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Re: h22 in an ef (Master Shake)
it all about how much you want to spend i would go h22 over any b swap any day. it takes a fully built b motor to make the same amount of power of the h22 stock add the same mods to the h22 it's even faster
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Re: h22 in an ef (EF9eDDie)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF9eDDie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">waste of time/money, gonna be breaking axles like nothing, and ******* up ur suspension...if ur gonna swap out ur B16...put in a GSR</TD></TR></TABLE>
A 94-95 B18C1 will cost you about 2700.00 for motor, tranny, ecu.
A JDM H22A will run 2000 max for motor, tranny, ecu.
Like I said before, upgrade to 90-93 Integra axles, and you'll be fine.
For the amount of money you'll spend on a h22a crx, you won't be disappointed how many doors your going to blow off.
With slicks and a stock H22 you'll run mid-high 12s.
A 94-95 B18C1 will cost you about 2700.00 for motor, tranny, ecu.
A JDM H22A will run 2000 max for motor, tranny, ecu.
Like I said before, upgrade to 90-93 Integra axles, and you'll be fine.
For the amount of money you'll spend on a h22a crx, you won't be disappointed how many doors your going to blow off.
With slicks and a stock H22 you'll run mid-high 12s.
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Re: h22 in an ef (MONSTERZC)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MONSTERZC »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it all about how much you want to spend i would go h22 over any b swap any day. it takes a fully built b motor to make the same amount of power of the h22 stock add the same mods to the h22 it's even faster</TD></TR></TABLE>
Finally somebody that understands the point I'm trying to make.
Finally somebody that understands the point I'm trying to make.
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Re: h22 in an ef (Master Shake)
H22 all day !!!!!
Best bang for the buck besides Nitrous
I have a H22 in my EK. Dynoed 190 hp and 155 tq on a stock motor with just bolt ons. Not even tuned. B series have to come built to make that hp, and no matter how built they dont reach that tq.
Best bang for the buck besides Nitrous
I have a H22 in my EK. Dynoed 190 hp and 155 tq on a stock motor with just bolt ons. Not even tuned. B series have to come built to make that hp, and no matter how built they dont reach that tq.
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Re: h22 in an ef (Power Rev Racing)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Power Rev Racing »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">H22 all day !!!!!
Best bang for the buck besides Nitrous
I have a H22 in my EK. Dynoed 190 hp and 155 tq on a stock motor with just bolt ons. Not even tuned. B series have to come built to make that hp, and no matter how built they dont reach that tq.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey hey hey, we should stop letting these people know about the h22...Maybe we should let them believe that it's a heavy POS, otherwise all these HT kids might get wise, and the demand for h22s will rise, and eventually the prices...
Best bang for the buck besides Nitrous
I have a H22 in my EK. Dynoed 190 hp and 155 tq on a stock motor with just bolt ons. Not even tuned. B series have to come built to make that hp, and no matter how built they dont reach that tq.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Hey hey hey, we should stop letting these people know about the h22...Maybe we should let them believe that it's a heavy POS, otherwise all these HT kids might get wise, and the demand for h22s will rise, and eventually the prices...
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Re: h22 in an ef (EF9eDDie)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF9eDDie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">waste of time/money, gonna be breaking axles like nothing, and ******* up ur suspension...if ur gonna swap out ur B16...put in a GSR</TD></TR></TABLE>
Huh, people said the same thing about putting an h22 in an eg a few years ago, seems like the ignorance and lack of knowledge continues
Huh, people said the same thing about putting an h22 in an eg a few years ago, seems like the ignorance and lack of knowledge continues
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Re: h22 in an ef (PURPLETERROR)
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Huh, people said the same thing about putting an h22 in an eg a few years ago, seems like the ignorance and lack of knowledge continues</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea. the biggest problem I see with h22 into EF is the cable/hydro situation. But isn't there a h23 cable tranny we can use?
Huh, people said the same thing about putting an h22 in an eg a few years ago, seems like the ignorance and lack of knowledge continues</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yea. the biggest problem I see with h22 into EF is the cable/hydro situation. But isn't there a h23 cable tranny we can use?
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Re: h22 in an ef (highrevnef)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PURPLETERROR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Huh, people said the same thing about putting an h22 in an eg a few years ago, seems like the ignorance and lack of knowledge continues</TD></TR></TABLE>
im not saying it couldnt be done....im just saying u can avoid those problems when done correctly and with the right amount of $ u can do anything where it wouldnt cause a problem...so dont try to insult me with ur comments
im not saying it couldnt be done....im just saying u can avoid those problems when done correctly and with the right amount of $ u can do anything where it wouldnt cause a problem...so dont try to insult me with ur comments
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Re: h22 in an ef (civicsitek GanGsTa)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by civicsitek GanGsTa »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Not true. My local shop would do it for $500 all day long. No it doesnt take a shop working all day 2 weeks to get it done if they have a CLUE what they are doing. $1000 is the most it should cost for this swap for axles, mounts, and install. Have you actually done the swap before? I say go for it, the weight difference between a b16 and a h22 complete swap is about 80lbs, so stick the battery in the back, upgrade the suspension if you haven't done so already and run it. My friends 91 si w/ h22 doesn 12.8 on little baby slicks. Engine is bone stock with lsd tranny. Sell the b16 swap and you have a big chunk of the cost involved covered. h22 ef's move in stock form, throw on a power adder and they get sick fast in a hurry.</TD></TR></TABLE>
EXCELLENT.
(very cheap shops, but yes, it doesn't take that long. Not having a mount kit is nothing for a shop that knows how to weld. Back in the day, how do you think it was done? There were no mount kits!!)
I can see it taking 2 weeks but not all man hours, problems come up, things break, things need to be ordered that weren't expected, this can make a swap take 2 weeks. But its no more than 40 man hours of labor unless they slack alot
"""seems like the ignorance and lack of knowledge continues""" WELL SAID. and true.
Master Shake is right on the money as well.
There's alot of people saying the H22 sucks and B16 could take it that obviously don't know what they're talking about. So don't listen to them. do it.
Your axles aren't going to break if the engine sits correctly.
If you're having a shop do it, they better know what they're doing or not attempt it atall.
You can get the wiring done cheaper by http://www.rywire.com/
Recommend us to the shop, they'll be glad you did.
The man hours they pay their employees to do the wiring that they may not know how to do costs the shop owner more than having us do it.
I'm going to do a H22 w/B-series tranny in a few months so i have a vested interest H22 rules. LOL I'm so baised now.
EXCELLENT.
(very cheap shops, but yes, it doesn't take that long. Not having a mount kit is nothing for a shop that knows how to weld. Back in the day, how do you think it was done? There were no mount kits!!)
I can see it taking 2 weeks but not all man hours, problems come up, things break, things need to be ordered that weren't expected, this can make a swap take 2 weeks. But its no more than 40 man hours of labor unless they slack alot
"""seems like the ignorance and lack of knowledge continues""" WELL SAID.
and true.Master Shake is right on the money as well.
There's alot of people saying the H22 sucks and B16 could take it that obviously don't know what they're talking about. So don't listen to them.
do it. Your axles aren't going to break if the engine sits correctly.
If you're having a shop do it, they better know what they're doing or not attempt it atall.
You can get the wiring done cheaper by http://www.rywire.com/
Recommend us to the shop, they'll be glad you did.
The man hours they pay their employees to do the wiring that they may not know how to do costs the shop owner more than having us do it.
I'm going to do a H22 w/B-series tranny in a few months so i have a vested interest
H22 rules. LOL I'm so baised now.
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Re: h22 in an ef (EF9eDDie)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF9eDDie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
im not saying it couldnt be done....im just saying u can avoid those problems when done correctly and with the right amount of $ u can do anything where it wouldnt cause a problem...so dont try to insult me with ur comments </TD></TR></TABLE>
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waste of time/money, gonna be breaking axles like nothing, and ******* up ur suspension...if ur gonna swap out ur B16...put in a GSR
No, that not what you were saying, basically you said things were gonna break, suspention was gonna be fucked up, take the easy way out and swap in a gsr. Sorry if you took it as an insult, I was just stating a fact. If everyone listened to the people with no experience a few years ago, there wouldnt be to many h22 eg driving around right now. The wiring is easy, there is a nice adaptor plate so you can run the bseries trans with the h22 and hasport/hcp mounts. It will be a little harder and may cost a bit more than a gsr swap, but going faster will always cost money.
im not saying it couldnt be done....im just saying u can avoid those problems when done correctly and with the right amount of $ u can do anything where it wouldnt cause a problem...so dont try to insult me with ur comments
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waste of time/money, gonna be breaking axles like nothing, and ******* up ur suspension...if ur gonna swap out ur B16...put in a GSR
No, that not what you were saying, basically you said things were gonna break, suspention was gonna be fucked up, take the easy way out and swap in a gsr. Sorry if you took it as an insult, I was just stating a fact. If everyone listened to the people with no experience a few years ago, there wouldnt be to many h22 eg driving around right now. The wiring is easy, there is a nice adaptor plate so you can run the bseries trans with the h22 and hasport/hcp mounts. It will be a little harder and may cost a bit more than a gsr swap, but going faster will always cost money.
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Re: h22 in an ef (PURPLETERROR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PURPLETERROR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
No, that not what you were saying, basically you said things were gonna break, suspention was gonna be fucked up, take the easy way out and swap in a gsr. Sorry if you took it as an insult, I was just stating a fact. If everyone listened to the people with no experience a few years ago, there wouldnt be to many h22 eg driving around right now. The wiring is easy, there is a nice adaptor plate so you can run the bseries trans with the h22 and hasport/hcp mounts. It will be a little harder and may cost a bit more than a gsr swap, but going faster will always cost money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so ur basically TRYING to say im inexperienced?...know who ur trying to insult before u make ur statements...u dont know me at all or wut ive built in the past so save urself the embarassment
No, that not what you were saying, basically you said things were gonna break, suspention was gonna be fucked up, take the easy way out and swap in a gsr. Sorry if you took it as an insult, I was just stating a fact. If everyone listened to the people with no experience a few years ago, there wouldnt be to many h22 eg driving around right now. The wiring is easy, there is a nice adaptor plate so you can run the bseries trans with the h22 and hasport/hcp mounts. It will be a little harder and may cost a bit more than a gsr swap, but going faster will always cost money.</TD></TR></TABLE>
so ur basically TRYING to say im inexperienced?...know who ur trying to insult before u make ur statements...u dont know me at all or wut ive built in the past so save urself the embarassment
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Re: h22 in an ef (EF9eDDie)
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so ur basically TRYING to say im inexperienced?...know who ur trying to insult before u make ur statements...u don't know me at all or wut ive built in the past so save urself the embarassment </TD></TR></TABLE>
I don't need to know you, I really don't care what you have built. You made an Ignorant first post in this thread. My comment on experience was directed at all the people that said an h22 in an eg was a bad idea, now the same thing is starting to happen with the h22 in an ef. Yes you are inexperienced in hswaps based on what you said "waste of time/money, gonna be breaking axles like nothing, and ******* up ur suspension...if ur gonna swap out ur B16...put in a GSR"
I just don't like people that spread misinformation, and that's what you were doing. So please, save your self the embarrassment, think before you post and hit spell check next time
To the original poster, good luck with your swap, if you have any questions, feel free to pm me anytime, good luck with your swap and for trying something new.
so ur basically TRYING to say im inexperienced?...know who ur trying to insult before u make ur statements...u don't know me at all or wut ive built in the past so save urself the embarassment
</TD></TR></TABLE>I don't need to know you, I really don't care what you have built. You made an Ignorant first post in this thread. My comment on experience was directed at all the people that said an h22 in an eg was a bad idea, now the same thing is starting to happen with the h22 in an ef. Yes you are inexperienced in hswaps based on what you said "waste of time/money, gonna be breaking axles like nothing, and ******* up ur suspension...if ur gonna swap out ur B16...put in a GSR"
I just don't like people that spread misinformation, and that's what you were doing. So please, save your self the embarrassment, think before you post and hit spell check next time
To the original poster, good luck with your swap, if you have any questions, feel free to pm me anytime, good luck with your swap and
for trying something new.
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Re: h22 in an ef (EF9eDDie)
does anyone know wut parts i can buy cause ima take to a shop to get it done but i can get parts cheaper somewhere else. so give me details on the swap,...