I know this question has been asked a lot of times before but im debating on whether to go turbo or all-motor. For all-motor im planning on getting a skunk2 intake manifold, stage 2 camshaft plus camgears, valve springs and retainers, 4-1 header(brand undecided yet) j's racing cf intake and 2.5" exhaust pipe with a es oval muffler. Now if i go turbo a friend of mine is selling his greddy street legal turbo kit brand new and he said he'll give me a good deal on it. So what should i do?

 

all motor....for the money your going to spend on building the motor to withstand higher boost in the long run...cuz that stocc 5 psi wont due any good... id jess build the blocc and motor for all motor and get about 245 all motor power....

 

turbo....

stock block can handle 10 psi when tuned by a good tuner.

 

boost

 

boost

 

For the amount of money I've spent on my all-motor setup thus far, I can't imagine how much more it would cost for a turbo build.... shiiiet.

 

btw, what kind of all-motor forum recommends members to go turbo?

 

turbo, b or d kit with everything new around 1500 max.

 

I would go for all motor
reliability/maintanance/

 

ALL MOTOR RULES!!!!!!!!!!

 

all motor puts more stress on your motor running in the high rpms than does a turbo motor with 300whp.

 

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explain why

 

ALL MOTOR

 

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The way it came and the way it was meant to be

 

face it guys. no matter how you turn and twist it, your still gonna be spending alot of money either way. its all about personal preference, as both all motor and fi honda engines can be made very fast. i had an ls/vtec in my da, made lots of power, ran 12.9 with slicks. beating all those turbo cars was great feeling, i love being the under dog and come out with a win. but i blew 4 engines during the quest for 200whp+ because i wasnt on top of mantiance. daily drivablity kind of sucked too because of the poor gas milage and that damn 6 puck act clutch. i parked up my integra at my parents house and got myself a 95 civic ex coupe. then boosted it. that car is fun to drive and with under $2500 this car can easily see 200+whp that i struggled so hard to get all motor. but i'm still an all motor guy, dats my prefence. 9500 rpms vtec screaming echoing in my ears always sends shivers down my spine

 

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its a beautiful thing

 

judging by the list of parts that i listed on my first post above that im going to buy if i do decide to go all-motor, do u guys think it'll be faster than if i put the greddy turbo kit on my gsr? I love the sound of all-motor but when i drove my friends gsr turbo it was such a great feeling.

 

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Corky Bell explained this far better than my weak attempt, but basically, it work out that under boost, the pressure of the combustion cycle is working against the centifugal forces that are trying to throw the pistons and rods out of your block.

High rpm, all-motor duty has a much larger stress on the rods and bolts and bearings due to the fact that the TENSION* load on the rod and rod bolts is a function of the square of the rpm. So if you spin a motor twice (x2) as fast, the load would be 2^2 = 4 times the load. In more practical terms, lets say a FI motor reds at 8k, and a NA motor, must rev to say 10k, well that's 25% faster, but yields a stress of 56% more.

* Tension is the scary direction for stress because failure is catastrophic...

Does that better explain it?

That being said... I'm going NA because I feel it is a more technical direction to engine building, and is just an extension to the ways Hondas already excel.

 

for sure im a boost guy but im in the all motor reading and downloading vids. all motor vids r just ******* sick.

 

well said bro well said.

 

boost. Get your heads out of your asses.

 

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turbo is the best feeling. Unless you've never felt it. Then they have a name for that group. All Motor.

 

hahah well said there too. boost is a drug the more you see it the more you want it.

 

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Corky Bell explained this far better than my weak attempt, but basically, it work out that under boost, the pressure of the combustion cycle is working against the centifugal forces that are trying to throw the pistons and rods out of your block.

High rpm, all-motor duty has a much larger stress on the rods and bolts and bearings due to the fact that the TENSION* load on the rod and rod bolts is a function of the square of the rpm. So if you spin a motor twice (x2) as fast, the load would be 2^2 = 4 times the load. In more practical terms, lets say a FI motor reds at 8k, and a NA motor, must rev to say 10k, well that's 25% faster, but yields a stress of 56% more.

* Tension is the scary direction for stress because failure is catastrophic...

Does that better explain it?

That being said... I'm going NA because I feel it is a more technical direction to engine building, and is just an extension to the ways Hondas already excel.


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In other words...
Honda's high reving motors=were ment for all motor

 

either FI guys are invading the all motor forum, or the all-motor group has defected. what a shame.

I'm going ALL MOTOR!