On my way home from Houston, my timing belt decided go out on me. So here I am stuck in the middle of no where. I called all my friends and only one was able to come out to pull me all the way home. I had to wait 2 so I decided to take some pictures.





Should've changed the timing belt when I got the car. Where's the hammer head icon when you need it...


Okay. Down to the nitty gritty. The car is my daily driver. I have two z6 head sitting downstairs. Looks like I won't be getting rid of them anymore. Most likely I trashed my valves on my b7. I'm going to have to get my car asap since I drive ******* far to and from school and my Chevy truck likes to drink gas like it's water.

I could give a rats *** for vtec operation at the time being. I will be running a complete z6 head with complete z6 intake manifold. This is my econo-box. Not yours.

1. Can I run the z6 with DX ecu? Will it be the same (performance wise) as my b7? What problems would I encounter and how can it be fixed?
2. Are the z6 injectors the same as the b7 injectors? If they are the same, would you recommend me replacing the o rings for the injectors?
3. Which water pump do I use? I've heard of differences in water pumps and can't remember which to get.
4. Possible to re-use the old headgasket and maybe stack it up with the new one?? (Just out of curiousity).
5. Which headgasket would you recommend? OE Honda or what the autoparts store carries--Fel-Pro?
6. What else am I forgetting and should replace while I have everything apart?
7. Am I just better off finding a B7 head instead?

 

bump. in serious need of help.

 

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1. Can I run the z6 with DX ecu? Will it be the same (performance wise) as my b7? What problems would I encounter and how can it be fixed?
2. Are the z6 injectors the same as the b7 injectors? If they are the same, would you recommend me replacing the o rings for the injectors?
3. Which water pump do I use? I've heard of differences in water pumps and can't remember which to get.
4. Possible to re-use the old headgasket and maybe stack it up with the new one?? (Just out of curiousity).
5. Which headgasket would you recommend? OE Honda or what the autoparts store carries--Fel-Pro?
6. What else am I forgetting and should replace while I have everything apart?
7. Am I just better off finding a B7 head instead?
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1. No, you can't substitute the P06 ECU for the P28. The P28 has different parameters plus VTEC crossover. It will run like ****.

2. Yes, the D15B7 and D16Z6 share the same injectors. Replace o-rings only if they look to be worn out or cracked.

3. Get the water pump made for the block. So, the D15B7. It's the timing belt that is different when you upgrade to a D16Z6 cylinder head.

4. Some people have gotten away with using the same headgasket. It is NOT recommended. Get a new one.

5. OEM Honda is always better.

6. If you are strapped for cash, get another D15B7 cylinder head. You will need a new timing belt, all new fluids, spark plugs and ignition wires (D15B7 and D16Z6 wires and plugs are different), and an ECU. Not to mention some other things you MIGHT want to change such as a water pump, etc...etc...etc...

 

you CAN use the P06 on your new setup.

i have ran my P06 on my mini-me just fine.
it isn't fast nor does it hit VTEC, but it'll run the same.

as far as everything else..... ^^ the guy above took care of it for you. do some research on here to see which timing belt you would need tho. might be the d16z6 belt.

 

But why would you want to have a VTEC cylinder head only not to have it in use because you're running the stock ECU? Might aswell keep it a full D15B7.

It is the D16Z6 timing belt.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Dimi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But why would you want to have a VTEC cylinder head only not to have it in use because you're running the stock ECU? Might aswell keep it a full D15B7.

It is the D16Z6 timing belt.</TD></TR></TABLE>

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Is the motor stock? Chances are the valvetrain and pistons are fine, why not just pull the d15 head, if its fine, slap a new HG on and put a new T-belt on, and then worst case scenario swap heads??

 

Reason I asked about running the P06 ecu is just a temporary thing till I can find a p28 ecu. I need a car running asap till I can get the P28 and then I can wire up vtec. I'm going to be busy from now till God knows when because of school. The mini-me swap is a last resort if indeed my stock D15B7 valves are trashed. I don't know when I'll be able to pull the head and find out.

Anyone with an auto p28 they want to get rid of

 

Oh wow, thought your car would've been manual tranny from the looks of it.

 

car was priced to sell quick

 

Well, I finally got the head removed. I wanna say that I was lucky and my valves survived but I'm tired right now and I can't think clearly. Here are the pictures:













Okay now I'm in a predicament. If my valves were to survive should I go ahead and reinstall the B7 head or slap the Z6 head on?

 

bump for me!

 

how do you know forsure your valves survived, did you do a leakdown before you pulled the head? Anyways, i say just install the z6 head while your at it.

 

interesting.

 

I don't know if the valves survived or not. A leakdown test never crossed my mind before I removed the head. Any other way of seeing if my valves are still good?

edit: also wondering if I can use the b7 headgasket instead of the z6/y8


Modified by Cuong-nutz at 9:45 AM 4/26/2005

 

cant always tell if valves are bent just by looking at them i know one of mine you couldnt tell might as well throw on the z6 head for now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cuong-nutz &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't know if the valves survived or not. A leakdown test never crossed my mind before I removed the head. Any other way of seeing if my valves are still good?

edit: also wondering if I can use the b7 headgasket instead of the z6/y8


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Use the Z6/Y8 head gasket. If you have done all that work to remove the head I would put the Z6 on and wire vtec up later and run the P06 for now.

 

Should have done a leak down before you pulled it. Then, you could've known to use the stock head or not.

 

True, not his fault thought because others told him to pull the head. Too bad, he might could of saved a lot of time.

 

where is the hammer when you need it?




hahha j/k man

 

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hahha j/k man</TD></TR></TABLE>

I am 99.9% sure the DX injectors are smaller then the Z6 injectors. I know the Z6 uses 240cc's.. Like I said, 99.9% sure the DX ones ARE indeed smaller.

 

So a 1.5 block with a 1.6 head, it's called STROKE, think of it as if you need a belt for a 1.55. Easy geometry,I've reused head gaskets, but newer ones, It gets messy!

 

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I am 99.9% sure the DX injectors are smaller then the Z6 injectors. I know the Z6 uses 240cc's.. Like I said, 99.9% sure the DX ones ARE indeed smaller.</TD></TR></TABLE>

all 92 up civic and 94 up teg inj are the same 240

 

dude your valves did not survive, I can see in one pic, that one of them is out of the seal meaning it got bent.
Hondas are not interference engines, one the timing belt goes, especially at a good enough rpm, valves get bent.