gsr tranny vs ls tranny
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Re: (blackeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by blackeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">gsr is better. im in love with mine. 
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same here
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Re: gsr tranny vs ls tranny (SacTownsGreatest39)
everyone says that a gsr or b16 tranny is better than a ls, but does anyone have proof. everyone knows that ls has the longest gear ratios but thts not proof that your car will be faster. what i mean is has anyone had the exact same set up and compared times with a tranny swap?
i see alot of drag cars using both ls and gsr trannys so i would like to see a real world comparison
i like me ls tranny because i do alot of highway driving so its nice having the long 5th gear. but i wouldnt mind having a shorter 3rd and 4th
any i am just courious, whats the fastest anyone has gone with an ls tranny. i know my car will do 110mph in 3rd, haven maxed it out in 4th or 5th yet.
i see alot of drag cars using both ls and gsr trannys so i would like to see a real world comparison
i like me ls tranny because i do alot of highway driving so its nice having the long 5th gear. but i wouldnt mind having a shorter 3rd and 4th
any i am just courious, whats the fastest anyone has gone with an ls tranny. i know my car will do 110mph in 3rd, haven maxed it out in 4th or 5th yet.
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Re: gsr tranny vs ls tranny (downeyballz)
This topic has been beaten to death way too many times.
LS - if you can't find anything else and all you do is cruise the highway looking at the damn gas needle. Or if you have some frankenstein high horsepower setup that can not live without grand canyon spaced gearing.
GSR - everybody thinks it's the best multi-purpose setup
S21/Y21 B16 - works damn good if your setup likes it.
Yes, I have used both the GSR and B16 gearsets. My car, '95 Honda Integra, pulls much better 1/8 mile times with the B16 tranny than the stock S80. 2nd gear is procues better results for me and I get to my 3rd gear sweetspot much faster.
LS
1st 3.230
2nd 1.900
3rd 1.269
4th 0.966
5th 0.714
FD 4.266
GSR
1st 3.230
2nd 1.900
3rd 1.360
4th 1.034
5th 0.787
FD 4.40
B16
1st 3.230
2nd 2.105
3rd 1.458
4th 1.107
5th 0.848
FD 4.40
LS - if you can't find anything else and all you do is cruise the highway looking at the damn gas needle. Or if you have some frankenstein high horsepower setup that can not live without grand canyon spaced gearing.
GSR - everybody thinks it's the best multi-purpose setup
S21/Y21 B16 - works damn good if your setup likes it.
Yes, I have used both the GSR and B16 gearsets. My car, '95 Honda Integra, pulls much better 1/8 mile times with the B16 tranny than the stock S80. 2nd gear is procues better results for me and I get to my 3rd gear sweetspot much faster.
LS
1st 3.230
2nd 1.900
3rd 1.269
4th 0.966
5th 0.714
FD 4.266
GSR
1st 3.230
2nd 1.900
3rd 1.360
4th 1.034
5th 0.787
FD 4.40
B16
1st 3.230
2nd 2.105
3rd 1.458
4th 1.107
5th 0.848
FD 4.40
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Re: gsr tranny vs ls tranny (Dee)
Personally I think that anything below 400whp would benefit more from the b16 tranny.
Anything with crazy power see those 500-600whp beasts would be better served with the longer tranny aka LS.
Anything with crazy power see those 500-600whp beasts would be better served with the longer tranny aka LS.
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Re: gsr tranny vs ls tranny (kleefton)
im going to say that the b16 trans in unsuitable for a stock ls. it will top out in 5th gear at like 115mph or something, and will quickly become annoying to drive around on a daily basis
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Re: gsr tranny vs ls tranny (kleefton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kleefton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Personally I think that anything below 400whp would benefit more from the b16 tranny.
Anything with crazy power see those 500-600whp beasts would be better served with the longer tranny aka LS. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You're completely wrong.
What happens when you're making 500-600 WHP? You're turning lots of RPM's, ala 9500 or higher. What else happens when you're making big power? You use that power almost exclusively at the drag strip, on 24.5, 25, or 26" tall tires. What happens when you pair 9500 RPM's up with 25" tire? 171 MPH in fourth gear, and an akward shift out of third gear at 130 MPH. B16 trans on 25" tall tires at 9500 RPM's is 145, give or take a bit for tire growth. That's right around where you want to be with a high HP setup.
Anything with crazy power see those 500-600whp beasts would be better served with the longer tranny aka LS. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You're completely wrong.
What happens when you're making 500-600 WHP? You're turning lots of RPM's, ala 9500 or higher. What else happens when you're making big power? You use that power almost exclusively at the drag strip, on 24.5, 25, or 26" tall tires. What happens when you pair 9500 RPM's up with 25" tire? 171 MPH in fourth gear, and an akward shift out of third gear at 130 MPH. B16 trans on 25" tall tires at 9500 RPM's is 145, give or take a bit for tire growth. That's right around where you want to be with a high HP setup.
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I think the main thing that people don't take into consideration is WHAT GEAR ARE YOU ENDING THE 1/4 IN?
With an LS - you don't want a GSR tranny. Unless you like shifting into 5th gear in the 1/4.
Sure, it may be better for those that can rev to 9.5k or more - but not everyone drives a VTEC.
But for the purposes of this thread - you drive a GS-R, you most definately do NOT want an LS tranny.
Rev the **** out of it and go with a short geared tranny.
With an LS - you don't want a GSR tranny. Unless you like shifting into 5th gear in the 1/4.
Sure, it may be better for those that can rev to 9.5k or more - but not everyone drives a VTEC.
But for the purposes of this thread - you drive a GS-R, you most definately do NOT want an LS tranny.
Rev the **** out of it and go with a short geared tranny.
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Re: (DragSource)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DragSource »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think the main thing that people don't take into consideration is WHAT GEAR ARE YOU ENDING THE 1/4 IN?
With an LS - you don't want a GSR tranny. Unless you like shifting into 5th gear in the 1/4.
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LS trannies suck period, no one wants them ever.
With an LS - you don't want a GSR tranny. Unless you like shifting into 5th gear in the 1/4.
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LS trannies suck period, no one wants them ever.
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LS trannies suck period, no one wants them ever. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You are very incorrect. Please stop spreading ignorance.
LS trannies suck period, no one wants them ever. </TD></TR></TABLE>
You are very incorrect. Please stop spreading ignorance.
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LS trannies suck period, no one wants them ever. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No, when you have an LS motor with a non-vtec head and can only make power to 6500 is when you want an LS tranny.
LS trannies suck period, no one wants them ever. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No, when you have an LS motor with a non-vtec head and can only make power to 6500 is when you want an LS tranny.
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Re: (turboEGhatch)
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No, when you have an LS motor with a non-vtec head and can only make power to 6500 is when you want an LS tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Correct. Gearing takes into effect how high you REV and where your powerband is. this is why us little high reving hondas have 5 short gears and the newer RSX for example have 6 gears, while low RPM torque monsters like Camaros and Fords only need 4 gears.
Read up...there is a huge article detailing how to calculate exactly which tranny suites your needs.
No, when you have an LS motor with a non-vtec head and can only make power to 6500 is when you want an LS tranny.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Correct. Gearing takes into effect how high you REV and where your powerband is. this is why us little high reving hondas have 5 short gears and the newer RSX for example have 6 gears, while low RPM torque monsters like Camaros and Fords only need 4 gears.
Read up...there is a huge article detailing how to calculate exactly which tranny suites your needs.
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Re: (nonvtecD)
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I agree, but in some cases people might want to use and LS tranny (shitty non-vtec LS motor for example
). In general though, they do suck *** for a high reving motor (which most hondas are).
http://www.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=1496
I agree, but in some cases people might want to use and LS tranny (shitty non-vtec LS motor for example
). In general though, they do suck *** for a high reving motor (which most hondas are).http://www.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=1496
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I agree, but in some cases people might want to use and LS tranny (shitty non-vtec LS motor for example). In general though, they do suck *** for a high reving motor (which most hondas are).
http://www.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=1496</TD></TR></TABLE>
How can you knock on the almighty LS when you have a <FONT COLOR="pink">NINJA</FONT>
Here I extracted exactly what i was talking about...just put a lot better because jeff is like one of 8 honda Gods:
Gear ratios are merely a way to trade torque for rpm. With a higher numerical gear ratio, you are putting more rpm at the wheel. With closer gear ratios, you are able to stay at a higher rpm in between shift points. Something like the LS transmissions are suited more towards the broad torque curve/low reving LS engine. It keeps you in the peak torque area in between shifts. The ITR/SI/GSR transmissions keep the rpm's built up in between shifts, to stay in the more peaky powerband.
Having said that, for the track the itr/si tranny is the best hands down. Most high whp turbo engines are operating between 5.5-9k, and having their shift points in between. In combination with a tall slick size (24.5"+), and the high shift point (8.5-9k), you are able to keep the engine operating within the optimum torque curve.
With the LS transmission, between shifts it would possibly drop you out of the optimal powerband and therefore make you slower. Gearing simply put allows you to stay in the powerband of your engine in between shifts.
The myth that you stay in gear longer with the LS transmission makes you faster is purely false. Think about that statement for a second. Acceleration is the measure of velocity over a unit time. Watching the rpms climb on the tach during a 3rd/4th gear pull, they would be climbing slower than with the si/itr tranny. Looking at the definition of acceleration as a measure of velocity over a unit time, the engine would be getting to the same velocity over a slower time lapse. This would yield slower acceleration, and simply put make you slower.
Having said that, the gsr transmission is probably the best balance of a street/strip transmission. The gearing is a little less aggressive as the itr/si transmissions, which will yield a little more traction. For all out acceleration si/itr tranny wins hands down. For a slower car, go with the LS transmission.
Modified by adseguy at 2:40 PM 4/20/2005
I agree, but in some cases people might want to use and LS tranny (shitty non-vtec LS motor for example
). In general though, they do suck *** for a high reving motor (which most hondas are).http://www.evans-tuning.com/viewtopic.php?t=1496</TD></TR></TABLE>
How can you knock on the almighty LS when you have a <FONT COLOR="pink">NINJA</FONT>
Here I extracted exactly what i was talking about...just put a lot better because jeff is like one of 8 honda Gods:
Gear ratios are merely a way to trade torque for rpm. With a higher numerical gear ratio, you are putting more rpm at the wheel. With closer gear ratios, you are able to stay at a higher rpm in between shift points. Something like the LS transmissions are suited more towards the broad torque curve/low reving LS engine. It keeps you in the peak torque area in between shifts. The ITR/SI/GSR transmissions keep the rpm's built up in between shifts, to stay in the more peaky powerband.
Having said that, for the track the itr/si tranny is the best hands down. Most high whp turbo engines are operating between 5.5-9k, and having their shift points in between. In combination with a tall slick size (24.5"+), and the high shift point (8.5-9k), you are able to keep the engine operating within the optimum torque curve.
With the LS transmission, between shifts it would possibly drop you out of the optimal powerband and therefore make you slower. Gearing simply put allows you to stay in the powerband of your engine in between shifts.
The myth that you stay in gear longer with the LS transmission makes you faster is purely false. Think about that statement for a second. Acceleration is the measure of velocity over a unit time. Watching the rpms climb on the tach during a 3rd/4th gear pull, they would be climbing slower than with the si/itr tranny. Looking at the definition of acceleration as a measure of velocity over a unit time, the engine would be getting to the same velocity over a slower time lapse. This would yield slower acceleration, and simply put make you slower.
Having said that, the gsr transmission is probably the best balance of a street/strip transmission. The gearing is a little less aggressive as the itr/si transmissions, which will yield a little more traction. For all out acceleration si/itr tranny wins hands down. For a slower car, go with the LS transmission.
Modified by adseguy at 2:40 PM 4/20/2005