Hydraulic to manual timing tensioner
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Re: Hydraulic to manual timing tensioner (trinitymotors)
You mean Auto to Manual tensioner..Here you go http://www.collectiveracing.ne...=1093
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Re: Hydraulic to manual timing tensioner (trinitymotors)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Anyone done this, and if so, where did you find it?
Thanks in advance</TD></TR></TABLE>
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549516
You'll have to register to the website.
Thanks in advance</TD></TR></TABLE>
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=549516
You'll have to register to the website.
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Re: Hydraulic to manual timing tensioner (SKDRCR)
This seems to be a hot topic for the H22 owners out there. Here is a step by step "how to" conversion to the more reliable H23 (manual) style of tensioner. The H22a block used, is obviously a "mock-up", so don't be critical of the missing pieces. This conversion can be done in the car, but in this case it was done out of the car for illustration purposes only.
Parts list:
13404-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., BALANCER BELT
13415-PT0-000 - BRACKET, BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER
14510-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., TIMING BELT
14516-PT2-000 - SPRING COMP., TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER
90014-P14-A00 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER BASE
90015-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER SPRING
90016-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
90140-P14-A00 - WASHER, PLAIN (11MM)
Here is a link for the parts list:
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto....%282%29
This is a frontal and side shot of what the auto tensioner set up looks like with the timing belt cover, balance shaft crank pulley, balance shaft belt, and timing belt out of the way.
All of these thing will need to be removed to do this conversion.
Start by removing the auto tensioner pieces. These following pictures should be fairly self explanitory.
These following pieces will be removed from the h22 in this step and set aside for later use.
With the parts removed this is what it looks like.
This step, we will remove the troubsome auto tensioner.
With the auto tesioner gone, we will remove the rest of the tensioner mechanism. The following pictures should be self explanatory.
Now, with the complete auto tesioner mechanism removed, we are ready to add the manual tensioner parts.
This bolt and washer are what we start with. The factory washer is critical! It has a larger diameter than the block casting. This is a factory Honda part #90140-P14-A00 - WASHER, PLAIN (11MM), but for those of you who are lazy or pinching pennies, the diameter is 40mm and the thickness is 1.5mm If the wrong washer is used, improper alignment can occure as well as limited movement of the timing belt tensioner pulley.
These 2 pieces will be added next.
Add the timing belt tensioner pulley and check to see if it has full movement on its pivot.
Next we will install the balance shaft tensioner pulley. For this install, we will re-use the H22 part. The H23 part has a larger spacer that places it further out away from the timing belt pulley. I recomend using the H23 part (not shown), but with a few washers (used as spacers) the H22 pulley (pictured) can be used correctly.
If you are reusing the H22 part, MAKE SURE THE PULLEYS CLEAR EACH OTHER! This is a common mistake and can be catastrophic. When reusing the h22 balance shaft tensioner pulley, the pulleys must not touch! if you are using a h23 balance shaft tensioner pulley, there is no need to worry. it is already spaced properly.
Reinstall the balance shaft tensioner retainer.
Manual style tensioner in place completely. front and side views.
Parts list:
13404-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., BALANCER BELT
13415-PT0-000 - BRACKET, BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER
14510-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., TIMING BELT
14516-PT2-000 - SPRING COMP., TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
14521-P14-A00 - PLATE, ADJUSTER
90014-P14-A00 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER BASE
90015-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER SPRING
90016-PT0-000 - BOLT, TIMING BELT ADJUSTER
90140-P14-A00 - WASHER, PLAIN (11MM)
Here is a link for the parts list:
http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/auto....%282%29
This is a frontal and side shot of what the auto tensioner set up looks like with the timing belt cover, balance shaft crank pulley, balance shaft belt, and timing belt out of the way.
All of these thing will need to be removed to do this conversion.
Start by removing the auto tensioner pieces. These following pictures should be fairly self explanitory.
These following pieces will be removed from the h22 in this step and set aside for later use.
With the parts removed this is what it looks like.
This step, we will remove the troubsome auto tensioner.
With the auto tesioner gone, we will remove the rest of the tensioner mechanism. The following pictures should be self explanatory.
Now, with the complete auto tesioner mechanism removed, we are ready to add the manual tensioner parts.
This bolt and washer are what we start with. The factory washer is critical! It has a larger diameter than the block casting. This is a factory Honda part #90140-P14-A00 - WASHER, PLAIN (11MM), but for those of you who are lazy or pinching pennies, the diameter is 40mm and the thickness is 1.5mm If the wrong washer is used, improper alignment can occure as well as limited movement of the timing belt tensioner pulley.
These 2 pieces will be added next.
Add the timing belt tensioner pulley and check to see if it has full movement on its pivot.
Next we will install the balance shaft tensioner pulley. For this install, we will re-use the H22 part. The H23 part has a larger spacer that places it further out away from the timing belt pulley. I recomend using the H23 part (not shown), but with a few washers (used as spacers) the H22 pulley (pictured) can be used correctly.
If you are reusing the H22 part, MAKE SURE THE PULLEYS CLEAR EACH OTHER! This is a common mistake and can be catastrophic. When reusing the h22 balance shaft tensioner pulley, the pulleys must not touch! if you are using a h23 balance shaft tensioner pulley, there is no need to worry. it is already spaced properly.
Reinstall the balance shaft tensioner retainer.
Manual style tensioner in place completely. front and side views.
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Re: Hydraulic to manual timing tensioner (prelude1897)
13404-PT0-004 - ADJUSTER COMP., BALANCER BELT
13415-PT0-000 - BRACKET, BALANCER BELT ADJUSTER
I'm running no blancers in my H22a do I still need these two parts or could I survive without em. Thanks
Nick
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All of you guys are incredible...thank you so much for the input, and the parts will be in tomorrow so I will be sure to let you know how it turns out. cross your fingers and hope the internals didn't get f**ked up!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">prelude1987 you need to quote 2point6 on that he made it......
as for the idiot that posted this thread, you have to search fool....read the freaggin rules....</TD></TR></TABLE>
My bad...Everything done by 2point6
Modified by prelude1897 at 5:39 PM 4/1/2005
as for the idiot that posted this thread, you have to search fool....read the freaggin rules....</TD></TR></TABLE>
My bad...Everything done by 2point6
Modified by prelude1897 at 5:39 PM 4/1/2005
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mgags7 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">prelude1987 you need to quote 2point6 on that he made it......
as for the idiot that posted this thread, you have to search fool....read the freaggin rules....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the warm welcome you cocky s**t
searched for auto to manual, timing tensioner, etc etc and went through 3 pages before I posted the topic
to everyone else, thanks for the input...I know it took about as much time to post a nice response that it did to write a negative one
as for the idiot that posted this thread, you have to search fool....read the freaggin rules....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thanks for the warm welcome you cocky s**t
searched for auto to manual, timing tensioner, etc etc and went through 3 pages before I posted the topic
to everyone else, thanks for the input...I know it took about as much time to post a nice response that it did to write a negative one
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Re: (trinitymotors)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well, conversion to manual tensioner is done, but it did fry the number 2 cylinder....don't know yet how bad of damage was done to the piston if any
thanks again for the help!</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think you need to lay the blame elsewhere.
Scotts writeup has been used by many people without fail. maybe you just suck and shouldnt touch a wrench.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cross your fingers and hope the internals didn't get f**ked up!</TD></TR></TABLE>
by the sounds of this you planned on it happening. go find a mirror and blame that fucktard.
thanks again for the help!</TD></TR></TABLE>
i think you need to lay the blame elsewhere.
Scotts writeup has been used by many people without fail. maybe you just suck and shouldnt touch a wrench.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">cross your fingers and hope the internals didn't get f**ked up!</TD></TR></TABLE>
by the sounds of this you planned on it happening. go find a mirror and blame that fucktard.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jagan’92 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Shakes for President!!!
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My name is Shakes, and I approve this message
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i think you need to lay the blame elsewhere.
Scotts writeup has been used by many people without fail. maybe you just suck and shouldnt touch a wrench.
the conversion was done AFTER the problem, not before. Scotts write up was incredible, and this problem had NOTHING to do with his suggestions. I noticed that the auto tensioner fucked up, caused the belt to jump timing, and THAT is when I did the conversion. The damage was already done beforehand, and decided to convert it in order to put everything back together to do a compression test to see how bad the damage was from the auto tensioner failing.
Modified by trinitymotors at 1:05 PM 4/1/2005
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Re: (trinitymotors)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
the conversion was done AFTER the problem, not before. Scotts write up was incredible, and this problem had NOTHING to do with his suggestions. I noticed that the auto tensioner fucked up, caused the belt to jump timing, and THAT is when I did the conversion. The damage was already done beforehand, and decided to convert it in order to put everything back together to do a compression test to see how bad the damage was from the auto tensioner failing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
be careful of what you say.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">conversion to manual tensioner is done, but it did fry the number 2 cylinder</TD></TR></TABLE>
he has a business to run. stating things in that manner leads to mis conceptions. from reading the above, it sounds like you are blaming the manual conversion.
as for you wanting an apology, hell no. i do not apologize for reading something the way it was printed.
the conversion was done AFTER the problem, not before. Scotts write up was incredible, and this problem had NOTHING to do with his suggestions. I noticed that the auto tensioner fucked up, caused the belt to jump timing, and THAT is when I did the conversion. The damage was already done beforehand, and decided to convert it in order to put everything back together to do a compression test to see how bad the damage was from the auto tensioner failing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
be careful of what you say.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">conversion to manual tensioner is done, but it did fry the number 2 cylinder</TD></TR></TABLE>
he has a business to run. stating things in that manner leads to mis conceptions. from reading the above, it sounds like you are blaming the manual conversion.
as for you wanting an apology, hell no. i do not apologize for reading something the way it was printed.
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Re: (Shakes)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Shakes »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
as for you wanting an apology, hell no. i do not apologize for reading something the way it was printed. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Fair enough...I did write that in a way that could easily have been misunderstood. His suggestion worked flawlessly, and to clarify again, it was not the conversion that did any damage. This conversion should prevent this from happening again.
As for the apology, it should be for being an dick. just cause I am a newbie to the forum does not mean that I am a newbie to hondas. Instead of trying to see what I can offer to fellow honda fans, you choose to be arrogant and **** away what could have ended up being a helpful resource in the future
thank you Mr. President
as for you wanting an apology, hell no. i do not apologize for reading something the way it was printed.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Fair enough...I did write that in a way that could easily have been misunderstood. His suggestion worked flawlessly, and to clarify again, it was not the conversion that did any damage. This conversion should prevent this from happening again.
As for the apology, it should be for being an dick. just cause I am a newbie to the forum does not mean that I am a newbie to hondas. Instead of trying to see what I can offer to fellow honda fans, you choose to be arrogant and **** away what could have ended up being a helpful resource in the future
thank you Mr. President
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Re: (trinitymotors)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by trinitymotors »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">searched for auto to manual, timing tensioner, etc etc and went through 3 pages before I posted the topic
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Search this page visually:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=689805
That is the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) thread at the top of the prelude forum. Read everything linked in that thread and then post questions. You'll notice that this exact auto->man tensioner write-up is located there.
Welcome to the board.
Sorry to hear about your FUBAR'd engine.
Pirate
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Search this page visually:
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=689805
That is the Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) thread at the top of the prelude forum. Read everything linked in that thread and then post questions. You'll notice that this exact auto->man tensioner write-up is located there.
Welcome to the board.
Sorry to hear about your FUBAR'd engine.
Pirate
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The conversion worked beautiful! I am pulling the head off today to see how far the damage goes. Oh well, at least it happened locally instead of on the freeway! ahhh, the life of performance
PirateMcFred, thanks for the welcome!
Modified by trinitymotors at 9:16 AM 4/4/2005
PirateMcFred, thanks for the welcome!
Modified by trinitymotors at 9:16 AM 4/4/2005
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well, the damage wasn't NEARLY as bad as it could have been.....just ordered new Skunk2 valves (.5mm over) and new cams, but the pistons and cylinder walls are safe. Thank goodness! and now the wait begins
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Re: (hybridvteceg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybridvteceg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for posting it so we dont have to register.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Um, 2point6 posted the same thread/pictures/write up here on Honda-Tech. You didn't have to register on Collectiveracing.net to get pictures or any other info... that is what my previous post directed Trinitymotors to...
Um, 2point6 posted the same thread/pictures/write up here on Honda-Tech. You didn't have to register on Collectiveracing.net to get pictures or any other info... that is what my previous post directed Trinitymotors to...
