Just curious if the GC extended tophats will fit with Skunk2 springs.

 

They will fit any spring that has a 2.5" inner diameter. Now the question is "Do S2 coilover springs have a 2.5" inner diameter?...

 

That`s like polishing a turd...

 

Yeah well if you got the turds for cheap off ebay with the 8k/10k rates you were looking for, I'd bet you'd polish those turds

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA9 Integra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah well if you got the turds for cheap off ebay with the 8k/10k rates you were looking for, I'd bet you'd polish those turds </TD></TR></TABLE>
And I'd bet you he wouldn't

 

Well screw that idea. GC isn't selling their tophats outright anymore. I hope they go out of business

 

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And I'd bet you he wouldn't </TD></TR></TABLE>

...and I bet you are right

 

so just out of curiousity, what is the difference between a skunk2 7" 450lb spring and a ERS 7" 450lb spring?

 

Material, quality control, the process in which they are made, etc etc.

An ERS spring will be within 1% of 450lbs. A Skunk2 spring will most likely be in the 6-10% range. The Eibach spring is far superior.

Ryan


Modified by vtecvoodoo at 11:25 PM 3/13/2005

 

Lets take a 450lb S2 spring for example. 450 * 0.1 = 45. You're telling me that spring could be 400lbs to 500 lbs? Give me a break.

 

Yes, I am. Go to the track and see how many serious competitors are running Skunk2 springs and get back to me...

 

I can't prove you wrong, but I find it hard to believe. I'll get back to you on that. I need to educate myself more first.

 

I have three 60K rating machines that say I am right.

 

I don't doubt that the Eibachs are good springs. I've heard nothing but good things about them. If I had an extra 500 laying around, I'd buy custom rate GC's with solid mounts.

I just don't believe that the Skunk2's are +- 10% on the spring rates. All of the springs I had were the same length, and the thickness was very close. I had my springs re-powdercoated, so there were some variances depending on where I measured and how much powdercoat was stripped. So I'm still lost to where you found that +- 10%.

 

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I just don't believe that the Skunk2's are +- 10% on the spring rates. All of the springs I had were the same length, and the thickness was very close. I had my springs re-powdercoated, so there were some variances depending on where I measured and how much powdercoat was stripped. So I'm still lost to where you found that +- 10%.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I found that figure by rating them, not by comparing free length and wire thickness by sight. You kinda see where I am going here?

 

Did you put a 200lb load on each one and measure the deflection?

 

Why would I do that? Please elaborate....

 

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i dont think he has caught on that you actually WORK at eibach...

 

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Yes, I know he works at Eibach or some sort of auto place.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vtecvoodo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> A Skunk2 spring will most likely be in the 6-10% range. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Seems to me you just arbitrarily made that one up. That 6-10% number you came up with is what I'm looking for proof of. I'm wondering HOW you came up with the 10% number.

The reason for loading the springs and measuring the deflection is to find out how far off they are from whatever rating they say they are. I just picked 200lbs, I don't know what amount of weight you'd need.

 

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He rated them on a proper rating machine. More accurate and precise than your method. If he says they varied up to a hard-to-believe 10%, then I trust him - even though this is the internet and he is the competition.

 

in another thread, pro racer Tom Lepper shared his test results which seems consistent with ryans numbers.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Off brand springs often measure over 10 per cent off of their advertised rate when I measure them on my Longacre scale.
H & R and Eibach are the closest but even they are still only within 5 per cent.

I've only tested two sets of Hyperco and both were right on.</TD></TR></TABLE>

seriously, if you look at all the variables that go into manufacturing the EXACT spring rate, its very difficult to tolerance each dimension to acheive the desired spec, and be willing to test and toss the bad batches. companies who are selling their springs dirt cheap, obviously wouldnt go through as much trouble. all springs are not made equal.

 

I still won't believe 10% until I see it.

 

please, dont lose any sleep over it. the easter bunny wont take offense either.

 

Okay, go play in someone else's thread now.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DA9 Integra &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Okay, go play in someone else's thread now.</TD></TR></TABLE>


please pull your head out of ur .... and listen to some one who knows there ****.


Im guessing you haven't seen the S2 springs that BRAKE when they are used on Mac strut honda's. (two or 3 threads with pictures).