my motor is finally built, and will be putting it in the car this weekend.

anyway.

people running 300 + whp, what is your timing.

base timing on a z6 is 16, and y8 is 12 i think.

but what is your total timing in boost. i hear people running anything from 11 - 20 +.

anyone that has a successfuly built a D with no blowing head gasket, or lifting issue. please post your map or timing.

thanks
platinum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my motor is finally built, and will be putting it in the car this weekend.

anyway.

people running 300 + whp, what is your timing.

base timing on a z6 is 16, and y8 is 12 i think.

but what is your total timing in boost. i hear people running anything from 11 - 20 +.

anyone that has a successfuly built a D with no blowing head gasket, or lifting issue. please post your map or timing.

thanks
platinum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dyno tune it?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by entr0py &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Dyno tune it? </TD></TR></TABLE>

no sh*t.

i can still dyno tune it with high timing or low. that does not help..

platinum.

 

timing on a dyno wiil tell you were your making the best power and its easier to hear detonation, look into an msd 6btm or a good tuner

 

I have the same question as you. I will be finishing my build as well and will be shooting for around 300.

I think all us D series guys are a bit concerned with this head lifting issue which is constantly plauging us. I am curious to know what timing people are running as well.

I think the problem is that when people tune timing they tune to the threshold of knock then bring it back a few degrees. I've read many threads where they have experienced head lifting/headgasket issues and have no signs of detonation.

Maybe there is a inherent design flaw of the D-series block which require to run much less timing due sleeve shifting, 10mm head studs, poor r/s ratio, higher cyclinder preasure, or whatever.

I just want to know if we should tune to the threshold of knock then back it down a few degrees. Or tune to the threshold of the head lifting, but the problem is that how to you measure or quantify it.

Just thowing stuff out. I may be totaly off base but I just want to hear other peoples opinons.

Thanks again

 

detonation or not, alot of d series guys are blowing gaskets and lifting there heads.

i have hondata so 6btm will not be needed.

platinum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">no sh*t.

i can still dyno tune it with high timing or low. that does not help..

platinum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Dyno tune it to find out where it makes maximum torque. Thats your timing for that load/RPM.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by entr0py &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Dyno tune it to find out where it makes maximum torque. Thats your timing for that load/RPM. </TD></TR></TABLE>

running normaly timing on a D series pops head gaskets, and lifts heads. this method will not work

platinum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by platinum00 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">running normaly timing on a D series pops head gaskets, and lifts heads. this method will not work

platinum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Throw a set of ARP head studs on?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by entr0py &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Throw a set of ARP head studs on?</TD></TR></TABLE>

most of them are take Ryan for example

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1137540

 

I have a benson sleeved block and ARP studs.

i have not blow mine yet. but i dont want to..

i just wantt some people that are running high hp D setups to post there timing. thats all i want to know.

platinum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">most of them are take Ryan for example

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1137540
</TD></TR></TABLE>


that post is what made me create this one.

he is not sleeved. i have heard that the sleeves is what causes this. so i might be ok anyway. but i would still like to know what timing is being run sleeved or not.

platinum.

 

I seriously don't think the problem is in the block. I think it has more to do with the head and head stud size.

 

just let a good tuner do the job and you will be fine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yellowturbo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just let a good tuner do the job and you will be fine.</TD></TR></TABLE>

a good hondata tuner in the columbus area is hard to come by.


platinum.

 

I don't know about the timing but I did hear about the sleeves shifting. I have been driving my for only 2 weeks now on 10 psi and so far no problems *knock on wood*. But the stock z6, well that is a different story. I had to race with my windsheild wipers on from the coolent spraying out everywhere..LOL!!!

 

so i guess no one knows what timing they are running ?

platinum.

 

I'm now running 18* total @14psi and 14* total @22psi+

Before I made 418WHP@22psi with a70shot 23* total

and 406WHP@28psi 23* total lost head gasket

 

this is the thread I wanted to see for us D-series guys, I too will be shooting for 300 whp and would like to know what some turbo D guys running for their total timming. None of this "dyno your car ****" , everyone who turbo D series knows we have head lifting or blowing Hg problems with out any detonations..so..lets hear from some D guys who are sucsseful with their setup and what "TOTAL TIMING YOU RUN" Asuming that your motor is built of course

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RA166E &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'm now running 18* total @14psi and 14* total @22psi+

Before I made 418WHP@22psi with a70shot 23* total

and 406WHP@28psi 23* total lost head gasket</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is what this thread was for . please keep info like this coming.

what turbo were you running and how much power did that put down. what about out of boost. just normal timing. or did you have 18 across the board.

platinum.

 

If you guys really think it is due to the size of the head bolts themselves, I would suggest you do what the BIG hp B series guys do, and have a competent machine shop drill and retap the head bolt holes to a 1/2" stud in the proper length.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jared &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you guys really think it is due to the size of the head bolts themselves, I would suggest you do what the BIG hp B series guys do, and have a competent machine shop drill and retap the head bolt holes to a 1/2" stud in the proper length. </TD></TR></TABLE>

not a bad idea. never thought of suggesting that

platinum.

 

ttt

 

more info please.

 

you're asking the WRRRRRRRROOONG board about this buddy.

i'm facing the same delimma (looking for 400whp on my d16z6) and i'm just going to take it slow with a wideband and J&S SAfeguard; keep pushing the boost until i'm happy or i blow sleeve to pieces