I'm making this post in reference to this thread:
https://honda-tech.com/zero...age=1

I have Neuspeed Koni Yellows, and Ground Control Coilovers. My car used to be slammed, with no finger gap between front tire and fender. I got it aligned, but tire wear was still pretty bad (because it was so low), and the inside of my tires went almost bald. I then raised my car up slightly, so there is about a finger gap between front tire and fender now. I'm wanting to potentially lower my car a little lower again, but don't want it to eat up my new tires. I was going to buy a skunk2 camber kit, but after reading the above thread it's made me think twice. Some people say they dont have any problems, especially with the new S2 camber kit, but since my car is really low will I still have a problem with it denting my inner fender? Or will I be ok? Is it even worth it for me to buy the camber kit? I dont want my fender to get fucked

 

I doubt you will need a camber kit. I'm thinking that shop that did your alignment did a sloppy job if it still wore out your tires.

My car sits like this, also on GC/Koni:

195/50-15 tires:


205/45-16 tires:


Now I do not have any camber kits, and my front camber I think is around -2.5 degrees. I have only experienced very little uneven tire wear, which doesn't really show up until 15,000 miles on the tires, or later.

My upper control arms are stock, but they never hit the shock towers or anything. I'm also running 380 lb. springs in front, which helps keep the UCA's from hitting, but I'm thinking of switching them out for an even 400 lb. rate springs (currently I'm running 450 lb. springs in back).

 

[QUOTE=PatrickGSR94]I doubt you will need a camber kit. I'm thinking that shop that did your alignment did a sloppy job if it still wore out your tires.

My car sits like this, also on GC/Koni:

QUOTE]

would that setup be just fine for a DA? GC/konis ???

 

I think a camber kit is important. Either spend 150 now, or 400 later on a set of new tires. With any drop over an inch, you are going to need the kit--especially in the front.

Personally when I see lowered civics/tegs without camber kits the first word that comes to mind is rice

 

camber kit will save you money in the long run.

- Nathan

 

go camber kit! yay...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Greenery18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think a camber kit is important. Either spend 150 now, or 400 later on a set of new tires. With any drop over an inch, you are going to need the kit--especially in the front.

Personally when I see lowered civics/tegs without camber kits the first word that comes to mind is rice </TD></TR></TABLE>

That's a pretty bogus statement. I dropped my teg 1.4-1.6 inches, and no camber problems. I'm running -1.5, which is not noticable at all, in fact, it improoves cornering grip. Maybe if the toe is out, you'll experience uneven tire wear, but, other than that, you don't really need a camber kit.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Greenery18 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Personally when I see lowered civics/tegs without camber kits the first word that comes to mind is rice </TD></TR></TABLE>

You're criticizing people of being ricey if they don't have a camber kit, yet you have altezzas on your teg

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mycord &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You're criticizing people of being ricey if they don't have a camber kit, yet you have altezzas on your teg </TD></TR></TABLE>

LOL..owned. So half the people here must be ricers then.

 

Seriously do it right the first time, you can buy SPC front ball joints or the Skunk 2 camber kit to fix it. You are also losing your traction with that much camber

 

I know there are mixed solutions from a couple people just from what I've read above. I have a used GSR that I bought with Aerospeed springs and I'm getting bad tire wear from negative camber. I've used the search option to find out what everyone has to say. Some use a simple solution of washers to fix the camber. I don't want to use that. I think that's a little tacky (imo only). Camber kits for tegs are mass produced and are getting decent prices (this includes skunk2). The statement above concerning a few hundred on a kit now to save you $ on tires in the long run is the right choice. Go washers or kit if you have bad tire wear. It's as simple as that. Whatever your decision...

Good luck man.

 

no

 

im not really for camber kits (i run 205/45/16).. even when my teg was slammed 2.25" on the sprints(F:tucked, R: no finger gap) 205/40/16 i didnt have a camber kit though i bumped up to 45 series tire to raise the car was too low.. switched over to the koni/gc setup for 4 years.. daily driver occasional canyon/track tires replaced yearly.. pix of my teg on koni/gc's (top picture = 205/45/16's F: 1 fg 350lb, R:1.5fg 500lb.. lower track picture 205/55/15's same setting as above) she cornered well enough to hurt boys egos even without a camber kit..

sure u may need to rotate the tires more often.. but i won't sacrifice the better handling... if u cant afford tires all the time get a camber kit or buy a harder all season compound tire u can rotate in all directions.. if u can afford tires you can go without.. unless of course u want to be able to customize the camber adjustments when u visit different tracks..

if u do get a camber kit, the skunk2 kit is still an good choice its probably the flattest u can find out there.. yea there are horror stories.. solution: raise up the car... u can be slammed with no camber kit and not worry about getting huge dents..

being too low has its consequences as well.. tire eats away at fenderliner then eats away at paint/metal exposing metal to water = rust.. which is worse? u decide.. there are always sacrifices for being slammed and lookin good...

 

i have koni yellows and GC coilovers....i got the skunk2 camber kit and havent had any problems, its the newer kit though...and my car is really low in the front too....before the camber kit, i was at -2 degrees and eating thru tires and now i'm fine! i say get the camber kit, it'll save you $$ in the long run on tires (if you're having that problem like i was). just get the new skunk2 kit and put honda ball joint covers on and you'll be fine!
good luck!

 

My car is about as low as PatreckGSR94 and I have some camber wear. I've only had my tires on about 1 1/2 months and the inside are almost bald. Had an alignment done and I put the rear tires in front and everything seems good now. inside doesn't seem to wear like it use to. I also have the omni camber kit and I already have dents in my inner fender.

Also, forgot to mention that I'm rolling on GC's and Tokico Illuminas. Settings are 5 in front and 4 in back.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kawaii &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know there are mixed solutions from a couple people just from what I've read above. I have a used GSR that I bought with Aerospeed springs and I'm getting bad tire wear from negative camber. I've used the search option to find out what everyone has to say. Some use a simple solution of washers to fix the camber. I don't want to use that. I think that's a little tacky (imo only). Camber kits for tegs are mass produced and are getting decent prices (this includes skunk2). The statement above concerning a few hundred on a kit now to save you $ on tires in the long run is the right choice. Go washers or kit if you have bad tire wear. It's as simple as that. Whatever your decision...

Good luck man. </TD></TR></TABLE>

It's not the camber that's giving you the uneven wear, it's the toe. Get your car aligned, and the wear will pretty much go away.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kawaii &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I know there are mixed solutions from a couple people just from what I've read above. I have a used GSR that I bought with Aerospeed springs and I'm getting bad tire wear from negative camber. I've used the search option to find out what everyone has to say. Some use a simple solution of washers to fix the camber. I don't want to use that. I think that's a little tacky (imo only). Camber kits for tegs are mass produced and are getting decent prices (this includes skunk2). The statement above concerning a few hundred on a kit now to save you $ on tires in the long run is the right choice. Go washers or kit if you have bad tire wear. It's as simple as that. Whatever your decision...

Good luck man. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Search some more. The consensus pretty much is that toe eats tires much worse than negative camber. My car is pretty much proof of that. I've been sitting around -2.5 deg. camber in front for over 85,000 miles and have only replaced the tires twice, and that's not using some hard compound tire, but tires like ES100's (280 treadwear).

Everyone on this thread that says they ate through tires or the tires went bald on the inside after just a couple of months, I can pretty much guarantee your toe-in settings are out-of-spec. Get the toe (and thrust angle) set to EXACT factory specs (make sure thrust angle is EXACTLY zero) and you will be just fine, provided you regularly rotate your tires.

 

2 choices.....camber now or tire change soooooon

 

SKUNK 2 ON EBAY.. the real deal... im planning on grabbin a set..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StreetINTEGRAtion &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">2 choices.....camber now or tire change soooooon</TD></TR></TABLE>

Have you read what I've been posting? Stop spreading mis-information. Those are not the only 2 choices for a lowered car. A set of tires lasting 35K-40K miles with -2.5 camber doesn't sound like changing them "soon" to me.

*edit* not trying to be an @$$, I just hate seeing mis-informed mis-information posted, especially after the correct information has already been posted.


Modified by PatrickGSR94 at 6:38 PM 2/1/2005

 

so all you guys who got slammed tegs, hows the ride? is it bumpy as hell? i'd like to know since my ride is effing bad man , is it just because i got coilovers and just stock shocks?

 

Your stock shocks are no doubt blown if you're using coilover sleeves on them. The shocks can no longer control the up-down oscillation of the springs, and so the ride is really bad (bouncy) and probably bottoms out quite a bit.

I'm using Koni shocks with farily stiff coilover springs (keeps it from bottoming out). The ride is very bumpy and rough (my **** leaves the seat sometimes on big bumps and dips), but it's never bouncy like blown shocks.

 

Ok...I'm going to check on the toe thread and see why I was wrong. I am learning a lot. I have taken any kind of training at all. I just use logic and read. Thanks for the input on my advice.

To comment on the same subject though, negative camber makes toe in wear worse, right?

 

AWESOME! I found the thread and everything makes sense. I do have enough camber to affect tire wear, but you guys are right. Toe in is much more worse than camber. I'm taking my car to get alligned ASAP. Thanks for all your help guys.

 

i'm riding with zero gap in the front with the skunk2 v2 camber kit ... haven't had a problem yet. i've actually thought about going lower