Hey Guys
I just took out my BC3+ and put in some Blox Spec B's and I am running them in my R with hondata s200.
The thing is, is these blox cams are supposed to make alot more power then my BC did, but they dont feal like they have near as much torque. Is this a normal feeling when you raise horse power and have the same torque? or you think I just need to have it retuned? or is there soemthing I am missing?
I am just frustrated and afraid i spent the money on these cams and they are going to hurt more then help.
Thanks

 

bcs are supposed to be easy to tune being that blox has a diff profile you would need to get retuned to that cam you might want to look into rocket cams if your up for some power

 

well of course Im up for some power! that is why i bought the cams!
how ever I just bought these and I want to see what they will do

 

you just went from a midrange power cam to a top end cam so your not gonna reach peak power without a retune and of course peak power loss of mid tq.

 

people, we have to stop doing this ****.....one day the BC3+'s are the lick, then, blox comes out with there **** (s2 cams specs, umm, o.k.) and its now the new bomb...this stuff is really giving me a headache. dummy up, people. if you want to make more power, look into a high end custom header, headwork, or, go bigger displacement. i'm not even suprised that it doesn't feel faster (although the blox cams are untuned), because most cams are designed for a specific style of set up. you went from a torquey cam to more of a top end cam, and you wonder why your car feels less torquey? i'm i missing soemthing here?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">people, we have to stop doing this ****.....one day the BC3+'s are the lick, then, blox comes out with there **** (s2 cams specs, umm, o.k.) and its now the new bomb...this stuff is really giving me a headache. dummy up, people. if you want to make more power, look into a high end custom header, headwork, or, go bigger displacement. i'm not even suprised that it doesn't feel faster (although the blox cams are untuned), because most cams are designed for a specific style of set up. you went from a torquey cam to more of a top end cam, and you wonder why your car feels less torquey? i'm i missing soemthing here?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah bc3+ focuses on MIDRANGE/TORQUE that will pull to about 8300rpms.

arent the blox B's an close replica to the s2s2 which is a revhappy-topend cam?

 

IC thanks for the replies. as far as the head work I already did that and the header is on the way hince the reason I am waiting for tunning

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRacer121 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IC thanks for the replies. as far as the head work I already did that and the header is on the way hince the reason I am waiting for tunning</TD></TR></TABLE>

too bad that you changed the cams before the new header comes in, because,your results will be skewed if you compare it to the original bc dyno. seeing that the bc3's were tuned with a lower quality header, and, possibly a smaller cat.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">people, we have to stop doing this ****.....one day the BC3+'s are the lick, then, blox comes out with there **** (s2 cams specs, umm, o.k.) and its now the new bomb...this stuff is really giving me a headache. dummy up, people. if you want to make more power, look into a high end custom header, headwork, or, go bigger displacement. i'm not even suprised that it doesn't feel faster (although the blox cams are untuned), because most cams are designed for a specific style of set up. you went from a torquey cam to more of a top end cam, and you wonder why your car feels less torquey? i'm i missing soemthing here?</TD></TR></TABLE>

And I still love my BC3+'s. Fits my driving style PERFECTLY. I do understand what you mean though. It seems that with more people having more access to information, the bandwagons tend to load up and empty a lot faster.

I personally have a problem going with a brand that just pops up one day out of the blue. Blox for instance...up until about four months ago, I never even heard of them. I've always heard of Buddy Club...back four-five years ago. Didn't mean their cams are good, but hey, they have to be doing something right to have stayed around for so long.

 

well I did not just jump on a band wagon here people. my goal is to hit 200whp and I couldnt on the BC3+. My tunner recommended that i go with some S2S2 and whne I was doing research on them i found the Blox cams and what they are doing in comparisson. There for I made a decision to go with the cam that is cheaper and puts out more horse power

as far as the torque drop off I have dyno comparissons of another car putting down 198whp and running about the same torque curve as mine with the S2S2
There for I figured my low end torque would NOT be affected!

Damn I hate how some Honda-Tech members always try and act like they are the only ones doing research on this stuff and try and brand everyone for jumping on a band wagon

try and get to know someone before you label them
and if you cant get to know them on the net dont label them

 

about switching headers for dyno results I still have the old one and the auction ends the day after I wan tot tune so it is all up to the new header getting here on time to see actual comparissons
But I am trying to get it done

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRacer121 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn I hate how some Honda-Tech members always try and act like they are the only ones doing research on this stuff and try and brand everyone for jumping on a band wagon

try and get to know someone before you label them
and if you cant get to know them on the net dont label them</TD></TR></TABLE>

hey man, i didn't label you. i just look at things from a wide scope. if motor #1 makes 203whp@8300rpm and motor #2 makes 197whp@7900rpm, but makes 3-4 wtq more than motor #1, from 3500-7000, i would take the more flexible engine, which would be #2. peak numbers don't mean ****, and i think that you are learning that. its all about how broad a powerband is. and, if this is your DD, peak #'s should be your last concern. yeah, a 200whp dyno sheet might make some people's dick hard, but, when its all said and done, its about the power under the curve. no disrespect, just trying to help.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by B16C1 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

hey man, i didn't label you. i just look at things from a wide scope. if motor #1 makes 203whp@8300rpm and motor #2 makes 197whp@7900rpm, but makes 3-4 wtq more than motor #1, from 3500-7000, i would take the more flexible engine, which would be #2. peak numbers don't mean ****, and i think that you are learning that. its all about how broad a powerband is. and, if this is your DD, peak #'s should be your last concern. yeah, a 200whp dyno sheet might make some people's dick hard, but, when its all said and done, its about the power under the curve. no disrespect, just trying to help. </TD></TR></TABLE>

well put

peak power isn't as significant as overall whp/torque of the whole power band. Otherwise you will find yourself waiting and waiting to ur sweet spot...meanwhile another car with less peak is gone!

 

You can't really blame B16C1 or I for making the statements that we did. Look at it. One day, Skunk2 is all the rage. Everyone wants Skunk2 this or that. Holy crap! A valve dropped on someone's car! Crap, everyone stops buying Skunk2. Wow!
A: Buddy Club!
B: Who are they?
A: Don't know, but I hear so and so is making XXX amount of power on the dyno!
B: Which dyno?
A: I don't care as long as I make XXX amount of power as well!
B: So how'd the dyno come out?
A: Crappy! I don't get it, so and so made XXX amount of power on Richard Steve's Dynopack...yet I'm making 15 whp less on SP's Dynojet...stupid part. I'm going with OBX! They all the rage now!
B: OBX?! They suck!
A: No they don't! So and so made XXX amount of power on Little John's Dyno!
B: *sigh*

Bottom line, we've all heard the Relibility, Cost, and Time, pick any two cliche. When it comes down to it, there's only so much potential, and decisions on what you want to do with it in one aspect will affect it in others.
What am I talking about?

You have 1.8 Liters. You can make it all stroke, no bore, and use your car to compete in tractor pulls. Or you can make it all bore and no stroke, and you'll need to rev it up like a you're delivering Tofu on Mt. Akina to get anywhere.

In this case, user has decided they want crazy mad horsepower. Unfortunately, without looking into other perspectives on how to extract more power, they elected to change the overall personality of the motor. Sure, that means that the redline is extended, but at the same time, powerband has not expanded to match. Torque tends to be more noticable then horsepower as well, as far as pull you back into your seat acceleration, so the car feels almost weaker. Why do I say almost weaker? Well, one needs to wait longer (higher redline), for the car to reach it's sweet spot. If anything, the sweet spot is now a g-spot because it's a lot smaller and a lot of guys tend to fall short or go way past it.

Just ranting now. With the new header you've been waiting for, a retune of your fuel maps, you should be able to widen your power band a little. Hopefully that'll be enough to sedate your thirst for powa.

 

yes I do understand the diff. btwn the max WHP and the WHP through out the power band
But with that stated I would have liked to keep my low end torque and yes change the characteristics of the motor by having that through out the power band.
I thought this cam would do that by looking at the dyno graphs that I was comparing. Now Im starting to see that I was wrong.
as far as it quenching my thirst for power? hasnt happened yet?
Wondering why I dont just buy a viper or something?

 

Just dyno the bizzach and call it a day. Remember those dyno graphs Stony showed us with the s2s2 vs bc3+? Almost 10whp throughout the powerband, even midrage, more than the 3+ on mid built engines. Theres no reason why your car shouldn't be putting down the same or more hp on that same dyno.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ITRacer121 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yes I do understand the diff. btwn the max WHP and the WHP through out the power band
But with that stated I would have liked to keep my low end torque and yes change the characteristics of the motor by having that through out the power band.
I thought this cam would do that by looking at the dyno graphs that I was comparing. Now Im starting to see that I was wrong.
as far as it quenching my thirst for power? hasnt happened yet?
Wondering why I dont just buy a viper or something?
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Vipers too expensive. If you are looking to keep your mid-range, try to find some cams that offer aggressive secondaries as well as the VTEC lobe. For instance...if you haven't sold your BC3+ and your ITR cams yet...It's evident that the VTEC lobe on the BC3+ is larger than the ITR one's, but the secondary lobe is no slouch either.

 

yeah but why cant I have a cam that makes high peak WHP and mid range torque?


I want my cake and eat it too!!!

 

Lol, don't we all? I think Raceline had good results with the JUN 4's when they did the Super Street / Sport Compact Car time attack the first time around. Those are some knarly cams. With a knarly price though...so ya, you'd have to buy the whole wedding cake if you wanted both.

 

skunk2

 

ah maybe some day

 

any update on the blox b's?

 

supposed to be tunning early next week once I get the new header! YEah another trip to Velocity!

 

Here is my dyno to compare (these are on different days too)
Box made more power on top but BC smokes them before Vtec
as for driver experience I like the BC better
shouldnt have sold em so soon
ah well
lets try the BC4's! YEAH

 

so since the first dyno with the BC you changed the header? which?