EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match?
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EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match?
1991 EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match?
Swallowed my right bearing.....need a replacement....I know its NOT 90-91 Civil 4 door....this bearing is a LOT bigger. Any idea what car has same bearing?
Now I ned to convince Advance auto to take this thing back.
Swallowed my right bearing.....need a replacement....I know its NOT 90-91 Civil 4 door....this bearing is a LOT bigger. Any idea what car has same bearing?
Now I ned to convince Advance auto to take this thing back.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">interesting. its even bigger than EX? what else is different about the knuckle? rotor, caliper?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I believe the SiR knuckles like the DA knuckles are a tiny bit taller than regular ol EF/EX knuckles.
I believe the SiR knuckles like the DA knuckles are a tiny bit taller than regular ol EF/EX knuckles.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (EL Vap133)
im further curious. whats bigger about the bearing? i assume the outer diameter of the bearing is bigger, but is the inner diameter the same? (basically does it use the same Si hub? axle?) im asking either EF9 or DA knuckle.
(i honestly have ignored all integra brake swap threads, just did a search and didnt find my info)
(i honestly have ignored all integra brake swap threads, just did a search and didnt find my info)
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im further curious. whats bigger about the bearing? i assume the outer diameter of the bearing is bigger, but is the inner diameter the same? (basically does it use the same Si hub? axle?) im asking either EF9 or DA knuckle.
(i honestly have ignored all integra brake swap threads, just did a search and didnt find my info) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Now that I don't know...
(i honestly have ignored all integra brake swap threads, just did a search and didnt find my info) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Now that I don't know...
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (EL Vap133)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EL Vap133 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I believe the SiR knuckles like the DA knuckles are a tiny bit taller than regular ol EF/EX knuckles.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think the SiR ones are the same as all the other EF's as far as geometry is concerned. I couldn't visually see any height difference when I matched them up against EX knuckles. However, I could see the difference between DA and EX knuckles.
The main physical differences of the SiR knuckle are that they are beefier design (heavier), made for B16 axles to fit with dust seal thing, have the tie rod hole location more inwards towards the center of the car, and have the DA/EX brake rotor size. You can use the EX caliper and rotor on them if needed.
Also, they do indeed use the same bearing as the DA - larger outer diameter than all the USDM ED knuckles. EX uses the same bearing as Si, DX, LX. If you tried to fit a USDM bearing in there it would be super loose.
I believe the SiR knuckles like the DA knuckles are a tiny bit taller than regular ol EF/EX knuckles.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I think the SiR ones are the same as all the other EF's as far as geometry is concerned. I couldn't visually see any height difference when I matched them up against EX knuckles. However, I could see the difference between DA and EX knuckles.
The main physical differences of the SiR knuckle are that they are beefier design (heavier), made for B16 axles to fit with dust seal thing, have the tie rod hole location more inwards towards the center of the car, and have the DA/EX brake rotor size. You can use the EX caliper and rotor on them if needed.
Also, they do indeed use the same bearing as the DA - larger outer diameter than all the USDM ED knuckles. EX uses the same bearing as Si, DX, LX. If you tried to fit a USDM bearing in there it would be super loose.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (Tyson)
These came off a 1/2 cut 91 SiR I bought for my swap.....it takes EX brake pads..(matched them up at parts store)..I assume the Calipers are same as EX too.
Uses stock Tie rods....in my case DX.....the Bearing is almost 1/2" bigger than EX...
Uses stock Tie rods....in my case DX.....the Bearing is almost 1/2" bigger than EX...
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (Tyson)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tyson »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im further curious. whats bigger about the bearing? i assume the outer diameter of the bearing is bigger, but is the inner diameter the same? (basically does it use the same Si hub? axle?) im asking either EF9 or DA knuckle.
(i honestly have ignored all integra brake swap threads, just did a search and didnt find my info) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Outer diameter is larger and inner diameter is larger....only thing the same is depth.
I have 90-93 teg axels on it now....tore a boot something last winter and ran on it a long time without knowing it was tore in 1/2.
(i honestly have ignored all integra brake swap threads, just did a search and didnt find my info) </TD></TR></TABLE>
Outer diameter is larger and inner diameter is larger....only thing the same is depth.
I have 90-93 teg axels on it now....tore a boot something last winter and ran on it a long time without knowing it was tore in 1/2.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (4drEF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4drEF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I think the SiR ones are the same as all the other EF's as far as geometry is concerned. I couldn't visually see any height difference when I matched them up against EX knuckles. However, I could see the difference between DA and EX knuckles.
The main physical differences of the SiR knuckle are that they are beefier design (heavier), made for B16 axles to fit with dust seal thing, have the tie rod hole location more inwards towards the center of the car, and have the DA/EX brake rotor size. You can use the EX caliper and rotor on them if needed.
Also, they do indeed use the same bearing as the DA - larger outer diameter than all the USDM ED knuckles. EX uses the same bearing as Si, DX, LX. If you tried to fit a USDM bearing in there it would be super loose.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the hub wouldn't even be close to fiting either.....SiR is way beeffier (bigger) than the EX.....
I think the SiR ones are the same as all the other EF's as far as geometry is concerned. I couldn't visually see any height difference when I matched them up against EX knuckles. However, I could see the difference between DA and EX knuckles.
The main physical differences of the SiR knuckle are that they are beefier design (heavier), made for B16 axles to fit with dust seal thing, have the tie rod hole location more inwards towards the center of the car, and have the DA/EX brake rotor size. You can use the EX caliper and rotor on them if needed.
Also, they do indeed use the same bearing as the DA - larger outer diameter than all the USDM ED knuckles. EX uses the same bearing as Si, DX, LX. If you tried to fit a USDM bearing in there it would be super loose.</TD></TR></TABLE>
the hub wouldn't even be close to fiting either.....SiR is way beeffier (bigger) than the EX.....
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (wu tang)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by wu tang »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(sorry to hijack) but i'm selling sir knuckles...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Would be tempting but I can get a bearing for about $60 in 24 hours......this is my backup car....not my daily driver.....thinking about selling it soon however.
Would be tempting but I can get a bearing for about $60 in 24 hours......this is my backup car....not my daily driver.....thinking about selling it soon however.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (wu tang)
the DA bearing is definately larger than the crx/civic hub bearing
so does anyone know what bearing this guy needs? Im just curious also.
btw for reference
92+ civic/integra bearings are the same dependings on ABS or NonABS
Non ABS uses a small bearing almost identical to the pre 92 crx/civic bearing
however all ABS models use a larger bearing
so my choices for you would be try the bearing
BCA/National#513241= DA Hub Bearing or
BCA/NAtional #510030 = 92+ Civic /Integra w/ ABS
so does anyone know what bearing this guy needs? Im just curious also.
btw for reference
92+ civic/integra bearings are the same dependings on ABS or NonABS
Non ABS uses a small bearing almost identical to the pre 92 crx/civic bearing
however all ABS models use a larger bearing
so my choices for you would be try the bearing
BCA/National#513241= DA Hub Bearing or
BCA/NAtional #510030 = 92+ Civic /Integra w/ ABS
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (VTeC4TheChildren)
My EF-9 knuckles (1991 Civic SiR) used 90-93 Integra bearings.............Car is on the road now.....those are exact fit replacements.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (virginia_dude)
"Also, they do indeed use the same bearing as the DA - larger outer diameter than all the USDM ED knuckles. EX uses the same bearing as Si, DX, LX. If you tried to fit a USDM bearing in there it would be super loose."
Told you so! lol
Told you so!
lol
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (4drEF)
The EF-9 hub would not fit in any HONDA bearing unless driven in with a Nuke....thre is almost a 1/2 difference in the inner and outer dimensions between the DA hub bearing adn all the Honda civic bearings.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (virginia_dude)
yup.
basically what I said, no?
just posting again to ... I dunno... ummm... guess I'm bored!
basically what I said, no?
just posting again to ... I dunno... ummm... guess I'm bored!
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (4drEF)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4drEF »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">"Also, they do indeed use the same bearing as the DA - larger outer diameter than all the USDM ED knuckles. EX uses the same bearing as Si, DX, LX. If you tried to fit a USDM bearing in there it would be super loose."
Told you so! lol</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, I called it first.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EL Vap133 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe you need DA bearings. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Told you so!
lol</TD></TR></TABLE>No, I called it first.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EL Vap133 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I believe you need DA bearings. </TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (EL Vap133)
when you installed the SIR knuckles did you have to cut off the inner tie rod end 1"?
http://home.socal.rr.com/civic...x.htm
as stated on this page?
and why was this modification necessary ?
http://home.socal.rr.com/civic...x.htm
as stated on this page?
and why was this modification necessary ?
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (VTeC4TheChildren)
No....becasue my car is a DX....it uses Identical Tie rod ends....the long ones....I think the Si Rack was longer and used shorter tie rod ends.
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Re: EF9 Civic SiR knuckles....what car has bearings that match? (VTeC4TheChildren)
The SiR knuckles have the tie rod mounting locations in a different location than the stock Si,Dx,Ex... knuckles do. The locations are placed closer to the rack. If you have a set fo "SiR" knuckles and the tie rod mounting location is in the same place as your stoc knuckles - well, then you don't have SiR knuckles. you probably got DA ones.
The car in the mod you linked to is my 91 LX with power steering.
When I first put the knuckles on and set the tie rods in place there was a horrible obvious toe-out problem that you could see with your eyes - no need to diagnose it with an alignment!
With the tie rods adjusted all the way in there was still a little toe out.
With the tie rod lock nut removed and then adjusting the toe all the way in I could have been fine, BUT I wanted to have the lock nut on there.
So I ended up doing the mod.
Now I'm able to use the lock nuts and there is enough threads on the tie rods for good adjustment when getting an alignment.
The car in the mod you linked to is my 91 LX with power steering.
When I first put the knuckles on and set the tie rods in place there was a horrible obvious toe-out problem that you could see with your eyes - no need to diagnose it with an alignment!
With the tie rods adjusted all the way in there was still a little toe out.
With the tie rod lock nut removed and then adjusting the toe all the way in I could have been fine, BUT I wanted to have the lock nut on there.
So I ended up doing the mod.
Now I'm able to use the lock nuts and there is enough threads on the tie rods for good adjustment when getting an alignment.