After 3 Weeks i finally recieve my "B series" head flanges from http://www.exploitedracing.com ....


1:12 AM 12/18/2004) Mpir3: dude...these flanges aren't even close to fitting my gsr head. Im a very patient person but this is getting a little annoying. The $170 i spent with you may not be alot to you but as a college kid its a decent amount to me. I hope we can get this resolved as quick as possible as the manifold is the only thing holding my setup back
JEsse

(12:45 PM 12/18/2004) ExploitedRacing: OK... you ordered 2 Honda B-series flanges.. right???? And you recieved 2 Honda B-Series flanges... right???? Im sorry you ordered the wrong flanges, and its not exactly my fault. however. I will replace the flanges with whatever flanges you do need for free except shipping.

(1:10 PM 12/18/2004) Mpir3: I ORDERED 2 B SERIES FLANGES, I HAVE A B SERIES, THE FLANGES DON'T FIT, HOW IS THAT NOT YOUR FAULT? WOW


(1:15 PM 12/18/2004) Mpir3: the flanges don't fit because the bottom holes for the studs are no where close to anything straight, one hole sits about 1mm from the outside of the flange while the next hole is about 7mm's from the outside edge...its not even close. If you want to blame me for ordering the wrong flanges go ahead, i'll be glad to post pics of your quality CNC work. Ive waited 3 weeks and then this and still have the patients to not make this public...

(11:30 PM 12/18/2004) ExploitedRacing: thats how B-series flanges are... email me at GSXTboost@hotmail.com, and ill show you a comparison of my flange to a gasket for the B-Series from the dealership. What you have sounds like a D-Series flange where the holes are more strait on the bottom.

(1:01 AM 12/19/2004) Mpir3: well it doesn't come close to fitting my head and its a gsr head..doesn't match up to the exhaust mani gasket either.

(3:05 AM 12/19/2004) ExploitedRacing: What year and model car do you have?

(4:53 AM 12/19/2004) Mpir3: Its a OBD1 94 gsr head...i have a few mild flanges from BMC that fit it fine. I wanted to use stainless, thus my order from you. I will try it tomo on my friends D series head and see if it fits.

(5:13 AM 12/19/2004) ExploitedRacing: The flanges you have are B-series... your head might be a b20 head which is different from a normal B-series

 

this is the 2nd thread about problems with expoloited's flanges, bailhatch made one, read it

 

How you can honestly say that this is my fault? The flanges dimentions are dead on. You obviously dont have a B-Series then if they dont fit. And making a post like this is very imature considering i even offered to replace them with the correct flanges for free except the amount of shipping. To prove the fitment of my flanges i took a picture of one compared to a Gasket to show there not made wrong in any way. Grow up.

The Flange..


The Flange with gasket ontop...


Looks right to me.

 

Have you tried putting this flange on your b-series? The b-series flanges only fit one way. We'll they can go on both ways but then one of your ports will be blocked off some by the headflange.
The lower left flange hole should be higher than the right lower flange hole!!!!!!! Which they are in the pics!

 

Maybe there's a mistake here...

ALL the bolt holes in the bottom row are NOT inline, and are not supposed to be. Look in the pic at the flange, and the gasket. The hole on the lower left is raised up a little bit.

I have, in my possession, a flange made by another company, and in my garage, I have a head and block used for fixturing. The flange I'm looking at right now has this same hole up a little higher, and it fits on the head.

Is it possible that you put the flange on backwards? Cause it can NOT be flipped over.. in other words, only one side can face the head. If the other side is turned towards the head, it will not fit.

 

Maybe you threw the wrong flange in his box?

If that would be the case, and seemingly it is, wouldnt it make the most sense for him not to have to pay for your error? Wouldnt it have been easier to say "Take a picture of the flange's fitment issue on the head and with the gasket laying over it and from there we can discuss the proper way of going about it" rather than blaming him.

Its called meeting in the middle. You want evidence your merch is incorrect, he wants his merch. replaced if it was your error and not at his cost. Seems like you need some lessons in customer service or you just shouldnt make any mistakes. that way you dont need customer service.

 

It seems like the guy would have enough sense to try the flange every way. At least I hope so. Lets hear the final result.

Yager-

 

Nope not wrong flange in the box... I dont have many flanges instock right now to mix it up with.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by epicham &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Seems like you need some lessons in customer service or you just shouldnt make any mistakes. that way you dont need customer service.</TD></TR></TABLE>
In a perfect world, that might work...but even if you eleminate mistakes, you will still end up with an occasional customer that can't be satisfied or has some other problem. (not saying that's the case here, cause I dunno.)

 

maybe it got mounted backwards

 

it looks like the holes are too small. iirc, oem gaskets fit very snug on the studs, with a slight vertical movement once all the way in, like .2mm or so..

Mpir3, take pics to show how off it is when trying to put the flange on the head.

ExploitedRacing, how many bseries flanges have you sold using that bit size? b-series = b18 = b20 = b16 = all the same.

i'm pretty sure you can rule out it being backwards. no one is that dumb, even on h-t?

 

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You sure? O_o

 

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no, lol

 

[QUOTE=ExploitedRacing]Nope not wrong flange in the box... I don't have many flanges in stock right now to mix it up with.

how can you say you didn't put the wrong flange in the box. it sounds like you made a mistake and the guy just needs to send it back to you so he can get a refund or the right gsr flange

 

when he made bailhatch's mitsu turbo flange, the hole wasnt even centered

EDIT:: I am looking at my b-series turbo manifold right now, andthe holes look the exact same. maybe it's the two on the outer bottom that are off. most flanges i have seen, including mine, have oblong or oval holes, yours are round. maybe if you change that then the flange would fit, just a thought.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ExploitedRacing &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How you can honestly say that this is my fault? The flanges dimentions are dead on. You obviously dont have a B-Series then if they dont fit. And making a post like this is very imature considering i even offered to replace them with the correct flanges for free except the amount of shipping. To prove the fitment of my flanges i took a picture of one compared to a Gasket to show there not made wrong in any way. Grow up.
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Learn how to run a business...I ship to and deal with 10x more business than you do on a daily basis..mistakes are made and i correct them. When i send someone the wrong part I COVER MY MISTAKE, SHIPPING EVERYTHING, THEY GET TEH PART OVERNITED AND HAVE IT NEXT DAY, IT IS MY FAULT.

Do you think im a retard and wouldn't try the flange both ways?? My Full Race manifold fits it fine, everything else fits its fine except for the flanges i got. So i either got non B series flanges or your CAD is off. ITS YOUR FAULT.

MIND YOU IT TOOK 3 WEEKS TO GET 2 FLANGES

 

I didn't get pissed about this and was very patient untill you insisted that you were right and that im stupid enough to not know that my $2000 JG head may not be a b series

 

go hold up exploited's flange to your full- race mani's flange. maybe amidst all of this bashing we can help him figure out whats wrong

 

Heres the pics..






Heres its flipped backwards

 

well, something is definitely off there, what i dont know. but if i were exploited i would start looking at the guy making the flanges then check the cad file for the flange.. there is a major flaw somewhere along the way

 

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If something is off then that would fine, i didn't get pissed that they didn't fit, i got pissed when he insisted it was my fault and that im too stupid to know what head i have or that i put it on backwards

 

yeah, what he said was uncalled for when its obvious the problem is on the pre/production side

 

what a tool bag, give the man some decent flanges, in a timely fashion...

 

i was just going to order some flanges from him also. but if hes going to do business like this then i'll go somewhere else. i dont care if the customer was the one making the mistake, you still should have told him to send it back. then you could look at it. if you lose $10 then so be it. its business. your job should be to make the customer happy. never tell a customer hes wrong in the way that you did. sometimes the machine get messed up. sometimes you put the wrong program in. sometimes you put the flange in the D-series pile instead of the B-series. mistakes happen. and i wouldnt have a problem with that just like hes saying. but now youre in the wrong by saying hes automatically wrong because you dont make mistake

 

looks like the tolerances or the jig was loose on the machine send it back and get a new one or get a refund simple solution good business and makes a happy customer but it should never come to this

BTW If your in a need of b-series flange asap I have some extra laser cut ones which I have personally tested fitting laying around the shop in mild steel