hey just wanted to get input on what people thought about intake manifolds for the H22. some people i have talked to have said skunk2, while others say keep my stock and remove the butterfly's.... what kind of gains have you guys who have done this noticed? better top end or low end? thanks

 

you lose on low end, but gain in the top end

 

If you search through some of the skunk2 im threads youll find that it really isnt worth it unless youve got some nice mods. If i were you i would mod a euro-r manifold, those make more power.

And the gains by removing the butterflys is so small that its really not worth it. Just keep them in there so you can retain some of that low end torque.

 

what do you guys think of the venom manifolds? trying to decide which mani to go with. heard the venom is good for forced induction and im going to be sprayin'

 

H22, skunk2 exh, cold air intake thats about it for engine.... jdm lsd, mugen ecu, act stage 2 clutch, jun flywheel..... so you think the euro R would be best or what?

 

I asked a similar question and was told to steer clear of Venom, STR etc, as they're only for turbo and Superchargers.

Didn't fancy the Skunk2 as I've heard good and bad about them.

Someone pointed me towards the Blacktrax so I'm thinking of trying that if I don't go for ITB's.

http://blacktrax.net/btp_H22_IM.html

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by firthy &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I asked a similar question and was told to steer clear of Venom, STR etc, as they're only for turbo and Superchargers.

Didn't fancy the Skunk2 as I've heard good and bad about them.

Someone pointed me towards the Blacktrax so I'm thinking of trying that if I don't go for ITB's.

http://blacktrax.net/btp_H22_IM.html</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ive never seen this manifold company before...anyone actually have one of these ported stock manifolds?

 

taking out the butterflies on an H22a motor is a dumb idea, I don't care what that company says.

 

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Satan, don't think it's a company that says to take out the butterfly, just what other people have suggested. I agree with you on that score, you gain more than you lose with driveability.

What's your opinion on the Blacktrax manifold, looks like it might be worth a try, I've contacted them but am still waiting for a reply.

 

I had my stock IM ported and polished to match the port and polish I had done on the S2000 TB I bought. King Motorsports did all the work. I'm not sure how it compares to aftermarket IMs, but I did notice a little more mid to upper end power.

 

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This sounds like a good idea or just go with Euro-R. Its comes off an h22 that is a lot more aggressive, better cams and pistons to say the least. Its made to make more power.

 

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This sounds like a good idea or just go with Euro-R. Its comes off an h22 that is a lot more aggressive, better cams and pistons to say the least. Its made to make more power.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Euro R

 

Euro R

 

so euro r you guys think would be the best? i would just hate to loose low end torque....

 

Just read up a bit more on this topic and am I right in assuming that if I get the Blacktrax stage 3 manifold with IAB plates removed I will lose low end torque for minimal high end gains.

 

i have a ported and polished stock intake manifold with the secondary butterflys removed and its alot better with bottom end then top..... with boost the secondaries couldnt open up fast enough and restricted the air flow, also they were removed with i coverted to obd1 with a p28 which has no controll over the secondaries so they would stay closed all the time

if i had to get a manifold for boost i would get STR , but if i was going n/a i would get it ported and polished along with the head.

 

When are people going to learn that polishing the intake runners make you LOSE power!? You lose the "tumbling" effect of the air when you do that...

 

oh so letting air flow freely is now a bad thing.....it should have to "tumble" over little bumps and **** to flow well.....

explain yourself if you have some good info, because you sound like an idiot for now....

 

i am sorry but when my turbo is spooled at 15psi i dont want any tumbling effect.. i want nice smooth delivery from the compressor housing to the cylinder head

 

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i agree with satan on this one, Honda put them in there for a reason. the only way any gains will ever be seen by removing the secondaries is if extensive port work is done. it this would need to be on a more "modified" engine

IMO i believe the euro r is the best mani out for the money. it just requires some custom work to get it to fit. good luck RB!

Oh and BTW its the Spoon ECU

 

what up "jayme" how ya been man? the lude's been bad *** so far, a little transmission troubles but ill have that fixed when its out of the shop. some drunk son of a bitch backed into me.... 2500 worth of damage, replace the rear quarter panel but its gonna look brand new when its out of the shop. Im going with the euro R for sure , you think maybe you could help me out with the install one of these weekends? i tried to PM you but it wont let trial users do it.... later bro

 

Go with the h23 manifold, its bigger. When InlinePro did my turbo setup they used it instead of the h22 one that came with my swap.

 

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from the butterflys up on the h23 and h22 they are the same. the reason they probably used the h23 one is because in shipping 99% of the time the TPS get destroyed , and then they fed you a line of crap

 

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No it is NOT bigger. H22 and H23 use the same upper half of the manifold.

 

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that's funny...how exactly did they they re-flange the H23 manifold and change the runner spacing to actually fit your H22a head??

hahahaha