Just letting you guys in on a new product on the market - the MazWorx Harness bars for 94-01 Integra are currently ready to ship - other models will be coming to market shortly...

- Made from 1 ¾” x .120” ASTM 519 or 513 DOM Mild Steel Round Tube.
- Attaches to the factory seat belt mount, allowing you to use the shoulder straps of the five point harness properly.
- Comes with vertical struts that limit harness bar movement.
- Product finished in a Polyurethane Powder Coat.




current retail price is $399 - please inquire for the Honda-Tech.com Special Pricing

James@GSCMotorsports.com

 

looks dangerous

 

Without a minimum of a rollbar I'd would have to agree, it looks dangerous.

 

WOW, a sparco clone! They even cloned the price!!!

Still unsafe w/o rollover protection (just like the sparco one ).

 

well in that case...

...full bolt in roll bars available too for the 94-01 integra currently and more applications coming..

- Meets sanctioning body requirements
-Provides precision and increased strength without increased weight
- available in 1 ¾” x .120” ASTM 519 or 513 DOM Mild Steel Round Tube (standard)
- also available by request in 1 ¾” x .083” 4130N DOM Chrome-moly Round Tube (meets military specification MIL-T-6736B)







...More Pics Available...

Retail Pricing of $899 for Mild Steel and $1149 for Chromoly....but again - we will offer killer Honda-Tech.com Member prices to interested parties....

James@GSCMotorsports.com

 

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Not to start a flame war, but I'm beginning to doubt that.

The Ferrari F430 has four-point harnesses from the factory. They have inertia reels AFAIK, but they should still hold you upright in such a way that's supposed to kill you in a car without roll protection. Now, I'm sure a Ferrari's body structure is better optimized for high crash/rollover forces than an Integra, but it's food for thought.

For autocross speeds, I wouldn't feel unsafe with a harness bar... lest the hardcore wheel to wheel folks forget this is the Road Race and Autocross forum.

 

Alright guys, relax.

For an autox only application there's nothing wrong, IMHO, with a harness bar - just dont wear the harnesses on the street, IMO.

And the forward tubes of the rollbar I wouldnt mess with for a track car, the price is way too high and the bends in the rear supports wouldnt pass tech for solo1 and IMO just not very safe.

 

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For an autox only application there's nothing wrong, IMHO, with a harness bar - just dont wear the harnesses on the street, IMO.

And the forward tubes of the rollbar I wouldnt mess with for a track car, the price is way too high and the bends in the rear supports wouldnt pass tech for solo1 and IMO just not very safe.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for the constructive criticism post instead of just bashing

for our information, why do you not like the forward tubes of the bar for a track car?

what other items are on the market and what kind of pricing is offered on those items? the chromoly option is really nice on this car but yes it is pricey, the bar is very nice to be so complete imo

the bends in the rear supports is something that can easily be corrected - this bar was not intentionally built for a solo1, track only type road race car - this particular bar is more designed for a street/strip type car - the sky is the limit on design for them - and minor changes are relatively easy to meet any of your needs

james innes

 

Thanks for the response.

You will also need a diagonal in the main hoop. I just dont think, at that price, it will sell very many to the track crowd when autopower or Kirk sell bars for around $400-$450 shipped and you can get a custom weld-in for $500-$800 installed.

Pics of my autopower bolt-in:

 

that is definately something that can be put together for those of you looking to use it more for a track car - just some slight changes off the street cage and it can be done....

...as for the pricing - yes it is a bit more than the kirk or autopower but we don't see them as direct competitors - each one of these bars is hand made for exact specifications and quality control, the complete package makes it very easy to install into the car and the finish of the bar is exceptional - it is hard to capture the finish in the pictures but compared to the kirk or autopower it is a night and day difference, just another option on the market i guess you could say...

...like i said above - the sky is the limit on the bars all the way to full roll cages for wheel to wheel competition, for a street car this bar is asthetically pleasing and designed to be easy to deal with and functional on a daily basis with the removeable door bars

and there is room to move on those retail prices and that is something that we are looking into - i just can't post the dirty deals in print

James Innes

 

 

The other thing that first caught my eyes is that the assembly on the cage is all hinged. The autopower cages use couplings?

Wouldn't the hinges make this flex more and not be a structurally sound?

I would also have to agree with the price. At that price you can start getting some custom cages installed.

Just some food for thought. Let me know if I am mistaken on the hinges.

 

I've seen a kirk cage with the rear supports like this which probably are better in a rollover anyhow since the load will be placed vertically instead of diagonally on the plate hopefully keeping pressure on the base plate even rather than trying to peel it away from the sheet metal



personally I would'nt put roll anything in a car with out an a pillar bar. Unless you fall upside down off a cliff most likely the a pillar and roof comming down and towards you would be my main concern. If you look a honda wrecks where the car rolled it's always crushes the apillar towards the driver

The harness bar is cool because your using the 2 main seat belt and 2 aux bolts to hold it in place rather than 1 bolt for the factory however belts will mar the powder finish So I would suggestsomething lighter like silver

A harness bar is in now way unsafe because at the point the harware would fail a driver would have suffered enough g's to kill him anyway. Using the harnesses themselves may have a couple of drawbacks but they keep your *** in the seat solid

 

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...full bolt in roll bars available too for the 94-01 integra currently and more applications coming..

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OK, that looks much better!! The nice large base plates look great . I always thought the autopower plates were too small.

 

there is another guy on HT that sells custom rollbars that meet NASA and SCCA regulations, i got mine for 500 shipped (east cost to west cost). The quality is awsome on mine TIG welded really awsome.

another thing to remeber is that even if your just doing an HPDE whatever saftey equipment you have in the car that is not factory must meet the regulation of the rule book. soo even those these aren't for race car's people couldn't even run on them on the track with NASA, because they don't meet the rules in the CCR.


Another thing to keep in mind is that NASA and SCCA put tons and tons of research into there rules (if nothing else insurance purposes) so there rules are there for a reason, the cage design works.

Now i relize that NASA and SCCA aren't the end all, be all sactioning bodies on role over protection, but the fact that they are nation wide and probably were people get into racing production cars, its a good guide to fallow, IMO.

 

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While I appreciate the 'tone' of your posts (many people become dicks when their products are criticized), make sure you have done the necessary research before making comments like the one above. First, this is a RR/AX/HPDE board. We're really not interested in a cage designed for the street/strip, although I appreciate that there is a market for this. The roll bar you picture above is NOT legal for road racing competition, not even SOLO I which requires a cross brace. The bends on the rear supports are not necessarily bad, but Kirk racing did stop using them as they had customers with difficulty passing tech and some sanctioning bodies require straight rear supports. The front bars seem to be NHRA inspired and while I can't comment on their safety, they're NOT good enough for any class that requires a cage (even though they have 6 points). Finally, the hinged joints, while technically legal, really aren't optimal and would be better designed as sleeves IMHO.

It does look like you have put a great deal of thought into your design, but keep in mind your target market. If it's us...you'll need to make it legal and much cheaper to compete with the proven designes of Kirk and Autopower as a bolt-in cage. If it's the street market you're after, you'll have to make it look a LOT nicer to justify the price. Remember, if it ain't legal, then only looks matter.

I agree with .RJ about the harness bar. It's not as safe as a roll bar, but it's the best design I have seen for a harness bar that can safely MOUNT the harness. However, the harness bar is currently priced more than a good roll bar, which means anyone even truly concerned about safety is going to save their money and purchase a roll bar instead.

 

Agrees with everything ^^^ he said. Well put.

 

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Not to start a flame war, but I'm beginning to doubt that.

The Ferrari F430 has four-point harnesses from the factory. They have inertia reels AFAIK, but they should still hold you upright in such a way that's supposed to kill you in a car without roll protection. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Ferrari has provided test results that appear to indicate that the driver can be pushed over if the roof is collapsing. Isn't it still true the Ferrari's still come with adjustable squabs, too?

That's why they come with inertia controllers that lock only with G-force applied on one axis.

I do not think that anybody else is going to spend that kind of money to be able to safely use harnesses without more protection than that.

The only other car I have seen with what appeared to be factory harnesses was a homologation special Jaguar that appeared to have factory provided rollover protection.

 

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I'm not sure what you mean by this.

I think what people are afraid of (at least it's certainly what the NASA Chief Instructor is afraid of) is that the roof will be collapsing downward against the head and neck of an individual restrained by an unbreakable harness and a fixed back seat, making the victim's neck the weakest link and most likely thing to break.

If the seat has an adjustable squab, then I suppose there's a different argument...will the squab break at the hinge before the restraining harness has helped break the victim's neck?

I don't know.

 

looks like the Speedware bar I am running for my camera in the ITR.

-Victor

 

any other insight on what you would like to see for a competition based bar?

 

All I can say is that I was recently quoted about $1000 for a six-point chromoly setup welded in. This includes boxes (not plates) for the main hoop mounts as well as a diagonal in the main hoop. The front bars (door bars?) are I guess what you would call "NHRA-style" as they are similar to the bars on your cage, except without a bend and they are welded in... so I think your pricing is a little out there.

Also as someone already mentioned, this cage might meet NHRA requirements (I'm not sure) but definitely doesn't meet those of any roadrace sanctioning body...

 

just a thought.....

being said that a harness/race seats, is not safe without roll bar, due to the roof caving in on a roll over. i was wondering if anyone really have the time and "kung-fu" grip, to leand side ways, forward and hold on to rear old life while the car bangs around and roll. wouldn't the force that caused the roof to colapse, would just cause any humans to
loose grip and hit the roof anyways???

plus i think most race seats are mounted lower to the floor so your head would actually be further away from the roof, compare to stock seats...


concerning your product... i don't think anyone can seat in the back setas after that, and since the price is just about the same price as a roll bar, then i honestly thinks its useless, imo. sorry.
&lt; runs and hide

 

similar?

 

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George, do you have a link or more information about these tests results?

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I was under the impression that BMW offered a harness as a factory option on select models in Germany only...