BSQ kit help, and other question on ITR sways
I did a search on ITR rear sway bars and i keep seeing this BSQ kit mentioned. But what is it, and what does it do. Also it seems that for an ITR rear sway bar i have to drill the sub frame. Why am i drilling the sub frame?? What part has to be mounted that the stock bar does not have to be mount.
Any web links for the BSQ kit would be great also...thanks
Any web links for the BSQ kit would be great also...thanks
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look up the user BSQ and go to his site to see the pics of his mount kit.
Basically the stock bar mounts on brackets, which position the bar out away from the subframe. If you put a larger bar (ITR) on there and use those same brackets, there will be much more torque exerted no the mounts and they will eventually rip out of the subframe.
With a mount kit, what you're doing is drilling out the welded nuts on the subframe that hold those brackets, and in their place you bolt in a plate that provides a flat area for the ITR bar's bushings and brackets to bolt to. The reason why the mount kit is needed is because the bar needs to be mounted directly to the subframe, and that area of the subframe is not flat. So you need a flat surface to bolt the brackets to, which the mount kit provides.
Basically the stock bar mounts on brackets, which position the bar out away from the subframe. If you put a larger bar (ITR) on there and use those same brackets, there will be much more torque exerted no the mounts and they will eventually rip out of the subframe.
With a mount kit, what you're doing is drilling out the welded nuts on the subframe that hold those brackets, and in their place you bolt in a plate that provides a flat area for the ITR bar's bushings and brackets to bolt to. The reason why the mount kit is needed is because the bar needs to be mounted directly to the subframe, and that area of the subframe is not flat. So you need a flat surface to bolt the brackets to, which the mount kit provides.
Ok the BSQ kit and what it all takes is not as bad as i thiught it was going to be. So does the front ITR bar bolt right up or are there mods needed for this also?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Racermech »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> So does the front ITR bar bolt right up or are there mods needed for this also?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i wouldn't even bother with it.
i wouldn't even bother with it.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LSvtec03 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i wouldn't even bother with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup. just leave it alone.
i wouldn't even bother with it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup. just leave it alone.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Racermech »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok the BSQ kit and what it all takes is not as bad as i thiught it was going to be. So does the front ITR bar bolt right up or are there mods needed for this also?</TD></TR></TABLE>
The front ITR bar might even be the same as a LS (24mm on my 1997 LS). The point of modifying the sway bars is to get more of a neutral handling car. To do that, you want to thicken the rear sway bar.
Getting a thick sway bar, and then modifying your front one to a thicker one will just negate what you just did. It'll go back to the oversteering car that you had before.
As what Patrick said, don't worry about the drilling. Many people hear "drilling" and get all flustered. You are basically getting rid of the spot welded nuts on the rear of the subframe. Just because of the fact that the BSQ kit comes with longer/thicker bolts. It won't screw into the stock nuts. So you are getting rid of the spot welded nuts so that you can screw the BSQ kit in. It's basically just a plate, spacers, and some bolts.
The front ITR bar might even be the same as a LS (24mm on my 1997 LS). The point of modifying the sway bars is to get more of a neutral handling car. To do that, you want to thicken the rear sway bar.
Getting a thick sway bar, and then modifying your front one to a thicker one will just negate what you just did. It'll go back to the oversteering car that you had before.
As what Patrick said, don't worry about the drilling. Many people hear "drilling" and get all flustered. You are basically getting rid of the spot welded nuts on the rear of the subframe. Just because of the fact that the BSQ kit comes with longer/thicker bolts. It won't screw into the stock nuts. So you are getting rid of the spot welded nuts so that you can screw the BSQ kit in. It's basically just a plate, spacers, and some bolts.
Very good info. I was wondering about the ITR front as i have seen a couple of sets for sale. I am not too worried about the drilling, it just sounded worse that what it looks to be.
Thanks for all of the help guys!!
Thanks for all of the help guys!!
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SilverDC4 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You don't need and ITR front sway bar, it's the same size as a GSR's</TD></TR></TABLE>not to mention its not nearly as easy to remove as the rear.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Racermech »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Any web links for the BSQ kit would be great also...thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
Here is a link to my Type-R rear swaybar mounting/reinforcement kit (aka. BSQ kit): http://www.geocities.com/bretq/mounting_kit.html (or my mirror site http://www.geocities.com/bretq2/mounting_kit.html).
Here is the link to the installation instructions for the Type-R rear swaybar: http://www.geocities.com/bretq....html (mirror site http://www.geocities.com/bretq....html)
Let me know if you have any questions.
Here is a link to my Type-R rear swaybar mounting/reinforcement kit (aka. BSQ kit): http://www.geocities.com/bretq/mounting_kit.html (or my mirror site http://www.geocities.com/bretq2/mounting_kit.html).
Here is the link to the installation instructions for the Type-R rear swaybar: http://www.geocities.com/bretq....html (mirror site http://www.geocities.com/bretq....html)
Let me know if you have any questions.
Hey BSQ. Thanks for the help. I looked you up a few days ago and when through the instruction, great wriet up and great info. THANKS!!!!!
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