What is the better choise for b16a (roundabout 500hp)? A block sleeved from GoldenEagle or a block sleeved from ERL-Performance?
Does anybody know the price difference between the both?
What is better and why?

The same guestion about girdles.
I know GE got a "3mains"-girdle and ERL a ""5mains"-girdle.
What is better and why do you think?

Thanks

 

The fastest hondas on the planet are running Golden eagle. there new HD design helps cool the block faster and keeps the block from warppping and getting out of round. the support kinda like a guard/girdle around the sleeves makes it second to none. the 3 main girdle from GE is fairly prcied and thye are bolt on. NO MACHINE WORK bolt on. comes with steeped CNC stainless steel dowels for perfect bolt on fitment. you dont need a custom oil pan either.

 

Bensons Performance Machine. The Absolute Best.

 

Joe Demaree has the world fastest front wheel drive four cylinder car on gas. 8.66@168.5 in St. Louis(NHRA event) We have been using our Superdeck system for four years now and is good to see other sleeving companies move to reinforce the sleeves(turning it into a close deck system) to keep them from distorting under high boost but like I said we have been doing this for four years and found this out through alot of R&D. The three point girdle does more than no girdle at all but doesn't fix the problem. If you look at how the Honda blocks have evolved through the years you will see they understand that all five caps need to be tied together not just three.(the F20, K20 and the K24)
We have done our homework on this and through R&D we also found that by far Darton Sleeves are the best in this business, hands down!! This is just our opinion but a very researched opinion.

 

I'd like to chime in for a second:

Since we are doing some name dropping here, let me drop these names:
Lisa Kubo - First FWD in the 7's
Ed Bergenholtz - First IMPORT FWD in the 7's, first unibody FWD in the 9's
Gary Gardella - Fastest unibody imort ( 8.08 / 181 mph )
Sav Leone - 8.7
Skunk 2 - Fastest FWD all-motor ( 9.85 @ 140 mph )
Cloyse Holland - 10.23 @ 132
Jason Hunt - 88 CRX best 9.53 @ 154, 97 Civic Coupe best 9.69 @ 149
John Romero - AEM Landspeed car with fully built and sleeved Golden Eagle motor. Shattered records set in 1984 for it's respective class. ( 160 MPH )

and the list goes on and on.

I have personally made well over 1000 h.p. on an LS motor using our 3 main girdle and it ran all year long. I have built numerous 500 h.p. street motors that utilize this system and the owners have never experienced any issues. This girdle was just used in a landspeed car from AEM and had a Golden Eagle built motor in it that shatteered records that stood since 1984 and had no issues.

Also, our sleeve design was the FIRST to utilize the top support feature. We started doing this back in 1998 and haven't looked back. Our blocks carry the best warranty, best features and best reputation in the biz. Racer come to us for their performance needs because we deliver! We do not pay ANYONE to run our products, they run them because they work!

 

We used GE sleeves last year and this year we will probably be using an ERL block. I have no complaints at all with the GE, but ERL is close to home and the guys in their machine shop are top notch.

 

Golden Eagle..

 

My next motor will have a Darton Sleeve and an ERL 5-Bolt Main.

I've tried 3-Bolt Girdles and have seen uneven wear patterns in the main bearings.

Not doggin' on GE or ANYTHING...just saying what I've seen on my stuff.

A 5-Bolt Main with a Align-Hone should take care of things quite nicely.

 

We use these sleeves. Work bad ***! (Just saying we like Darton).

GE however makes the best of alot of things like their cam gears and bored head gaskets. I recommend that GE cnc products 24/7/365

 

Damn. All that confuses me. I wanted to find a company that can build the blocks for us and now I´m more confused than before:-)
They both seem to be very good.

 

Golden eagle all the way! I ain't complaining (goin on 3 years with GE sleeves) on my block (my sleeves are flawless) they did!

 

I run GE HD sleeves in my race motor

 

Golden Eagle, y0.

 

Just go to the place that is most convenient and gives you the best price. All of these guys are great, and they will all (at least Golden Eagle and Earl/Benson)back up their work.

 

after having a few to many head gasket issues this year with GE, we will be trying out some ERL pieces shortly.

 

Can I chime in too?

We can list a whole impressive line of numbers and names too but why bother you know who we are. All I would have to say is :

John Lingenfelter....R.I.P.

As for the girdle I would have to give this one to ERL Performance. Golden Eagle does makes a lot of good products like manifolds and gears.

As for sleeving, enough said.

 

So basically, this thread is really about each manufacturer coming in here and giving their sales pitch about why their sleeves are the best above everyone elses? How about we get a lot of responses from people who use them, not the people who make them. No company is going to come in here and say "yeah, our sleeves suck, buy someone elses", so Benson/earl, GoldenEagle, Darton, etc..., coming in here is great, but is not going to solve anything.

 

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exactamundo.

I appreciate that each manufacturer has a fast race car that they have sponsored but what's under their hood and what's under mine?...neither of the 2 will cross paths.

I have a daily driver that's driven hard and occasionally pushed on the solo1 course.

how often do they tear down their engines compared to how long I want to go before I have to fork over a lot of cash?

with all due respect, objective independent testing with agreed upon criteria should be the topic or dialogue between these manufacturers & retailers here.

not free (or should I say free for all) advertising and campaigning.

but that'd be asking for too much.

if your sleeve doesn't "win" at least it gives you quality control targets to pursue.

if anyone actually believes these sales pitches,may I humbly suggest that you've lost your ability to think critically.

 

I've seen a couple different sleeves from LA Sleeve, GE, JG, Mahle, Dana, Badger, and Darton

I like Dartons the best. Why? Can't be specific but it has to material, dimensional accuracy and in car performance.

 

Great thread so far, let's keep the info coming guys. More responses from people who use any of the GE/ERL/Darton etc sleeves will help. It's good to see the manufacturers replying too, you don't see that too often in online forums .. all in all they ALL make great products and will always have a market to sell to .. kudos to 'em for spending the time to answer real world customer questions.

My question to the manufacturers is to do with the seating of the sleeves in the block.. how do these different sleeves prevent sinking, and does it at all have to do with the sealer when the sleeves are installed (ineffective seal).

 

why not ask them what their policy is IF their sleeves sink?

let's see the wordsmithing on the replies for that one.

let's see who steps up to the plate and who tries to move responsibility over to the installer or you the person breaking in the engine and tuning it.

a clear cogent easy to understand policy on responsibility when things don't go the way you planned would be helpful.

 

What should be the warranty for racing products?

 

if there is none then say so...

then you go in eyes wide open realizing that if there's a product failure due
to poor manufacturing quality control or an anomaly in the manufacturing that hasn't been caught before, the consumer has no recourse...you can't blame everything all the time on us if we show you that the part was installed with good acceptable practices and the engine was properly tuned and broken in.

ducking responsibility with the classic: well it's a racing product when there IS a manufacturing problem is...well how do I say it without sounding mean or antagonistic?...their responsibility.

 

I agree with you on this. How many people sink stock sleeves?

 

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The standard "parts warranty" usually is limited to the replacement of the defective part, after inspection by the manufacturer. Any and all damages that may occur are not the manufacturers responsibility.

Jim