STS rules question about clutch replacement
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STS rules question about clutch replacement
It looks like it's about time to replace the clutch in my 94 Integra LS. Does anybody know off-hand whether I MUST use Acura parts or can I use OEM-equivalent parts from another manufacturer (e.g., Exedy)?
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Re: STS rules question about clutch replacement (Agent Smith)
OEM or OEM equivalent (per the Stock rules). I do not think the Exedy is considered an OEM equivalent.
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Re: STS rules question about clutch replacement (Crack Monkey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Crack Monkey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I do not think the Exedy is considered an OEM equivalent.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Doesnt Exedy make the OEM discs?
Doesnt Exedy make the OEM discs?
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Re: STS rules question about clutch replacement (Crack Monkey)
Hmm.... I thought Exedy made an OEM equivalent, but I could easily be wrong about that. Would you happen to know what qualifies a replacement as OEM equivalent?
Thanks much!
Thanks much!
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Re: STS rules question about clutch replacement (Agent Smith)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Agent Smith »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hmm.... I thought Exedy made an OEM equivalent, but I could easily be wrong about that. Would you happen to know what qualifies a replacement as OEM equivalent?
Thanks much!
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Here are the applicable rules...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solo Rules »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
12.4 Standard Part
An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and delivered through a dealer in the United States. Dealer-installed options or deletions, except as required by factory directives, no matter how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition. This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts.
13. STOCK CATEGORY
...
Except for modifications authorized below, Stock Category cars must be run as specified by the factory with only standard equipment as defined by these Rules. This requirement refers not just to individual parts, but to combinations thereof which which would have been ordered together on a specific car. Any other modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Prepared, Prepared or Modified Categories as appropriate.
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The entrant has the burden of proving that his car conforms to these Rules by his owner's manual, manufacturer's shop manual, manufacturer's catalogs or other official manufacturer's documentation, which must be in the possession of the entrant at the event if ever available to the consumer from the manufacturer. At a minimum, the competitor must be in possession of the manufacturer's workshop manual. All manuals, catalogs and official documentation must be for non-competition purposes. If protested competitor possess the documentation required by this Section, but that documentation does not include sufficient information on the protested item, the burden shifts to the protesting competitor to prove the item illegal. Failure to provide appropriate manufacturer's documentation regarding vehicle specifications will result in disqualification.
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Alternate components which are normally expendable and considered replacement parts (e.g., engine and wheel bearings, seals, gaskets, etc.) may be used provided they are the same type and size as the standard parts and used in the same location. This does not include camshafts, differential covers, or ring-and-pinion sets.
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13.10.L
Limited-slip differential, transmission and differential ratios, clutch mechanisms, and carburetion, fuel injection or supercharger induction systems must be standard as herein defined.
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Based on the above (see 13.10.L), the clutch must be standard. A strict reading of the rules says you've got to buy it at the dealer. A less strict reading says any "normal" OEM-style replacement will suffice. AFAIK, the Exedy has different friction materials, so is not legal under either reading of the rule.
Thanks much!
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Here are the applicable rules...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Solo Rules »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
12.4 Standard Part
An item of standard or optional equipment that could have been ordered with the car, installed on the factory production line, and delivered through a dealer in the United States. Dealer-installed options or deletions, except as required by factory directives, no matter how common or what their origin, are not included in this definition. This definition does not allow the updating or backdating of parts.
13. STOCK CATEGORY
...
Except for modifications authorized below, Stock Category cars must be run as specified by the factory with only standard equipment as defined by these Rules. This requirement refers not just to individual parts, but to combinations thereof which which would have been ordered together on a specific car. Any other modifications or equipment will place the car in Street Prepared, Prepared or Modified Categories as appropriate.
...
The entrant has the burden of proving that his car conforms to these Rules by his owner's manual, manufacturer's shop manual, manufacturer's catalogs or other official manufacturer's documentation, which must be in the possession of the entrant at the event if ever available to the consumer from the manufacturer. At a minimum, the competitor must be in possession of the manufacturer's workshop manual. All manuals, catalogs and official documentation must be for non-competition purposes. If protested competitor possess the documentation required by this Section, but that documentation does not include sufficient information on the protested item, the burden shifts to the protesting competitor to prove the item illegal. Failure to provide appropriate manufacturer's documentation regarding vehicle specifications will result in disqualification.
...
Alternate components which are normally expendable and considered replacement parts (e.g., engine and wheel bearings, seals, gaskets, etc.) may be used provided they are the same type and size as the standard parts and used in the same location. This does not include camshafts, differential covers, or ring-and-pinion sets.
...
13.10.L
Limited-slip differential, transmission and differential ratios, clutch mechanisms, and carburetion, fuel injection or supercharger induction systems must be standard as herein defined.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
Based on the above (see 13.10.L), the clutch must be standard. A strict reading of the rules says you've got to buy it at the dealer. A less strict reading says any "normal" OEM-style replacement will suffice. AFAIK, the Exedy has different friction materials, so is not legal under either reading of the rule.
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Re: STS rules question about clutch replacement (Crack Monkey)
"provided they are the same type and size as the standard parts"
Well that's maybe not as specific as you might want, but that's what I was looking for. The exact brand doesn't really matter as I haven't actually purchased anything yet. As long as the parts are sold as being equivalent, I'll be happy enough. It's not like I'm going to Nationals anytime soon, and if somebody wants to protest it at a local level, well, I guess I'll just have to kick 'em in the nads or something.
Merci beaucoup.
Well that's maybe not as specific as you might want, but that's what I was looking for. The exact brand doesn't really matter as I haven't actually purchased anything yet. As long as the parts are sold as being equivalent, I'll be happy enough. It's not like I'm going to Nationals anytime soon, and if somebody wants to protest it at a local level, well, I guess I'll just have to kick 'em in the nads or something.
Merci beaucoup.
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