Tech a rollcage pt 2 - Let's give it another try.. (Warning, lots of pics)
I have the car back and put back together now, so I thought I would post up some new pictures, find out what everyone thinks, and ask a few questions..
First off, here's the pics:











the cage will be brush painted shortly.. I already know that on the door side of each side I mounted the lap belt too far back and need to bring it forward more to give a better downward pull.. the sub belt is currently around the front of the seat, is this acceptable? i didn't notice a way to get it through the seat? I still have to put on the seatback braces since corbeau got the FIA cert dropped.. otherwise, what does everyone think? should pass tech(aside from needing a kill switch and fire suppression mounted), right?
I also have one question regarding drilling a 3/16" hole in each of the bars? does it really have to be in all of them? how are they going to be able to measure the thickness using them anyhow?
as a little sidenote, with having the cage in the car shouldn't be driven on the street anymore I would think.. so we picked this little gem up on Saturday(and it has already come in handy - note the red prelude on the lift in the 3rd pick.. it died at the track sunday).. 1 year old, and only used once before we got it.. got a heck of a deal..



Thanks!!!!
First off, here's the pics:
the cage will be brush painted shortly.. I already know that on the door side of each side I mounted the lap belt too far back and need to bring it forward more to give a better downward pull.. the sub belt is currently around the front of the seat, is this acceptable? i didn't notice a way to get it through the seat? I still have to put on the seatback braces since corbeau got the FIA cert dropped.. otherwise, what does everyone think? should pass tech(aside from needing a kill switch and fire suppression mounted), right?
I also have one question regarding drilling a 3/16" hole in each of the bars? does it really have to be in all of them? how are they going to be able to measure the thickness using them anyhow?
as a little sidenote, with having the cage in the car shouldn't be driven on the street anymore I would think.. so we picked this little gem up on Saturday(and it has already come in handy - note the red prelude on the lift in the 3rd pick.. it died at the track sunday).. 1 year old, and only used once before we got it.. got a heck of a deal..
Thanks!!!!
One thing of note...I don't think your numbers on the car are large enough...should make an effort to make them bigger....the corner workers will thank you.
nice cage.
about the harness, im pretty sure its not safe to run the 5th point in front of the seat. Does the seat not have a "sub" whole??
if not, and even if it does, might want to look into getting the 6 point style sub which you can run threw the whole that the lap belts go threw also. some people say that the 6 point is safer, i can't comment on that but i can say its damn comfertable and would be less likly to hurt the kids, in any situation were you are stoped suddently
about the harness, im pretty sure its not safe to run the 5th point in front of the seat. Does the seat not have a "sub" whole??
if not, and even if it does, might want to look into getting the 6 point style sub which you can run threw the whole that the lap belts go threw also. some people say that the 6 point is safer, i can't comment on that but i can say its damn comfertable and would be less likly to hurt the kids, in any situation were you are stoped suddently
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by El Pollo Diablo »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Make sure to double back the shoulder straps on the passenger side (It l00ks like the driver's side is done correctly)</TD></TR></TABLE>
it's just harder to see on the passenger side, but they're all done exactly the same, by the book, on belt looping..
thanks for the compliments.. i did try to go a little larger on the numbers, but that's all that would fit..
I have grandstand numbers for the top too.. they're just not on yet.. seriously.. i do like the NASCAR styling.. for now anyhow.. different than most people with imports..
slammed_93_hatch, with a 6 point running back through the lap belt holes, i assume then you are sitting on the belt basically? would they attach to the same point as the lap belts or do you have to add another pair of attachment points?
it's just harder to see on the passenger side, but they're all done exactly the same, by the book, on belt looping..
thanks for the compliments.. i did try to go a little larger on the numbers, but that's all that would fit..
I have grandstand numbers for the top too.. they're just not on yet.. seriously.. i do like the NASCAR styling.. for now anyhow.. different than most people with imports.. slammed_93_hatch, with a 6 point running back through the lap belt holes, i assume then you are sitting on the belt basically? would they attach to the same point as the lap belts or do you have to add another pair of attachment points?
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it's just harder to see on the passenger side, but they're all done exactly the same, by the book, on belt looping..
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Considering that I can see the buckle completely on the passenger side I don't think they are done correctly, seems like it's missing step 4. in the Nasa CCR. The left over strap should go back through the buckle making the buckle appear as a "C" instead of an "O"
If that's the way it's done than it's done correctly.
Matt
it's just harder to see on the passenger side, but they're all done exactly the same, by the book, on belt looping..
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Considering that I can see the buckle completely on the passenger side I don't think they are done correctly, seems like it's missing step 4. in the Nasa CCR. The left over strap should go back through the buckle making the buckle appear as a "C" instead of an "O"
If that's the way it's done than it's done correctly.
Matt
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slammed_93_hatch, with a 6 point running back through the lap belt holes, i assume then you are sitting on the belt basically? would they attach to the same point as the lap belts or do you have to add another pair of attachment points?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have mine attached with different mounting points and that is what i suggest.
it seems like it would be unsafe to run multiple belts from one mounting point.
i have no clue on the actual ruling of legality though.
slammed_93_hatch, with a 6 point running back through the lap belt holes, i assume then you are sitting on the belt basically? would they attach to the same point as the lap belts or do you have to add another pair of attachment points?</TD></TR></TABLE>
i have mine attached with different mounting points and that is what i suggest.
it seems like it would be unsafe to run multiple belts from one mounting point.
i have no clue on the actual ruling of legality though.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DBurke »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I'd invest in a FIA rated seat. They pulled it from all Corbeaus.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mstewar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I still have to put on the seatback braces since corbeau got the FIA cert dropped.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I'd invest in a FIA rated seat. They pulled it from all Corbeaus.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mstewar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I still have to put on the seatback braces since corbeau got the FIA cert dropped.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Nice! New door bars are a big improvement.
See if you can get some kind of padding on the froward, lower window net bracket. Looks like it would be hell on your left arm/elbow in a crash.
Have fun on track!
See if you can get some kind of padding on the froward, lower window net bracket. Looks like it would be hell on your left arm/elbow in a crash.
Have fun on track!
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Considering that I can see the buckle completely on the passenger side I don't think they are done correctly, seems like it's missing step 4. in the Nasa CCR. The left over strap should go back through the buckle making the buckle appear as a "C" instead of an "O"
If that's the way it's done than it's done correctly.
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i'll double check it to be sure, but I'm fairly confident they're the same.. i started on the drivers side and just started working my way across doing each the same way..
Track rat, thanks.. i took everyone's advice and tried to raise them.. probably could've gone a bit higher, but this works.. good catch on the net bracket needing padding.. I missed that.. and yeah, it WOULD hurt like hell I'd imagine..
slammed_93_hatch, where are your mounting points on the sub-belts? are there any requirements on maximum or minimum angle or that sort of thing? kinda disappointing I put that 5th point under the seat now..
Considering that I can see the buckle completely on the passenger side I don't think they are done correctly, seems like it's missing step 4. in the Nasa CCR. The left over strap should go back through the buckle making the buckle appear as a "C" instead of an "O"
If that's the way it's done than it's done correctly.
Matt</TD></TR></TABLE>
i'll double check it to be sure, but I'm fairly confident they're the same.. i started on the drivers side and just started working my way across doing each the same way..
Track rat, thanks.. i took everyone's advice and tried to raise them.. probably could've gone a bit higher, but this works.. good catch on the net bracket needing padding.. I missed that.. and yeah, it WOULD hurt like hell I'd imagine..
slammed_93_hatch, where are your mounting points on the sub-belts? are there any requirements on maximum or minimum angle or that sort of thing? kinda disappointing I put that 5th point under the seat now..
Corbeau got their FIA cert dropped? News to me. So that is retro-active for seats that have the cert written on them already?
Those seats definitely have a sub belt hole, it's kind of hidden under the pad in front.
Those seats definitely have a sub belt hole, it's kind of hidden under the pad in front.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by turbohappy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Corbeau got their FIA cert dropped? News to me. So that is retro-active for seats that have the cert written on them already?
Those seats definitely have a sub belt hole, it's kind of hidden under the pad in front. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah.. in March or so.. they say they'll have it back, but who can say for sure or how long it will be..
thanks for the heads up on the hole.. I'll re-route till I switch to the 6 pt..
Those seats definitely have a sub belt hole, it's kind of hidden under the pad in front. </TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah.. in March or so.. they say they'll have it back, but who can say for sure or how long it will be..
thanks for the heads up on the hole.. I'll re-route till I switch to the 6 pt..
that didn't work
i fallowed the same guidlines as the lap belt, and it was pretty much the same as doctor cortez suggesed or some one else
i fallowed the same guidlines as the lap belt, and it was pretty much the same as doctor cortez suggesed or some one else
A few little things:
1. Do your Nascar bars intrude into the door? They do not look like they do, ie, you could run the door ungutted and still be abel to close it. If they do not go out into door then you typically are not permitted to gut that door liek you did. Check your series rules to be sure.
2. Your window net looks too low to me in the first picture. The photo is too dark for me to see the upper cage tube but it sure LOOKS like your whole arm could go through over the net. You SHOULD/WILL get dinged in tech for that.
3. Is there a bend in the top of the main hoop diagonal?!
1. Do your Nascar bars intrude into the door? They do not look like they do, ie, you could run the door ungutted and still be abel to close it. If they do not go out into door then you typically are not permitted to gut that door liek you did. Check your series rules to be sure.
2. Your window net looks too low to me in the first picture. The photo is too dark for me to see the upper cage tube but it sure LOOKS like your whole arm could go through over the net. You SHOULD/WILL get dinged in tech for that.
3. Is there a bend in the top of the main hoop diagonal?!
o Net too low.
o If you're not hurting for weight reduction, add a bar from the lower section of the 2 bars on the main hoop, so the hoop becomes a box.
Looks good though!
Warren
o If you're not hurting for weight reduction, add a bar from the lower section of the 2 bars on the main hoop, so the hoop becomes a box.
Looks good though!
Warren
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JoeLee »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">A few little things:
1. Do your Nascar bars intrude into the door? They do not look like they do, ie, you could run the door ungutted and still be abel to close it. If they do not go out into door then you typically are not permitted to gut that door liek you did. Check your series rules to be sure.
2. Your window net looks too low to me in the first picture. The photo is too dark for me to see the upper cage tube but it sure LOOKS like your whole arm could go through over the net. You SHOULD/WILL get dinged in tech for that.
3. Is there a bend in the top of the main hoop diagonal?!
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1 - it does.. it will break the glass if it were in there and rolled down..
2 - it probably is a bit low.. noted to be changed..
3 - i think it just appears that way in the pic with the way the weld and the pipe runout is situated..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johng »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mark,
Paint it soon. It'll rust very fast.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah.. i've seen it in some spots already.. i've got the paint and will probably do it this weekend..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Warren »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you're not hurting for weight reduction, add a bar from the lower section of the 2 bars on the main hoop, so the hoop becomes a box.</TD></TR></TABLE>
down near the floorboards? I think i'm a bit heavy right now, but once I get some more weight shaved off I could definitely add that..
1. Do your Nascar bars intrude into the door? They do not look like they do, ie, you could run the door ungutted and still be abel to close it. If they do not go out into door then you typically are not permitted to gut that door liek you did. Check your series rules to be sure.
2. Your window net looks too low to me in the first picture. The photo is too dark for me to see the upper cage tube but it sure LOOKS like your whole arm could go through over the net. You SHOULD/WILL get dinged in tech for that.
3. Is there a bend in the top of the main hoop diagonal?!
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1 - it does.. it will break the glass if it were in there and rolled down..
2 - it probably is a bit low.. noted to be changed..

3 - i think it just appears that way in the pic with the way the weld and the pipe runout is situated..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johng »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Mark,
Paint it soon. It'll rust very fast.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah.. i've seen it in some spots already.. i've got the paint and will probably do it this weekend..
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down near the floorboards? I think i'm a bit heavy right now, but once I get some more weight shaved off I could definitely add that..
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TeamSlowdotOrg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Funny story, I saw Mark crash into a wall at least 6 times last Sunday and the car still looks great. Great cage in my book.
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Everytime he rolls someone, they think they are in NASCAR because of the numbers he has
Markus, you need to put on THE STARS AND BARS and represent correctly
</TD></TR></TABLE>Everytime he rolls someone, they think they are in NASCAR because of the numbers he has
Markus, you need to put on THE STARS AND BARS and represent correctly
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mstewar »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">down near the floorboards? I think i'm a bit heavy right now, but once I get some more weight shaved off I could definitely add that..</TD></TR></TABLE>
From the rear shock tower pickups to the main hoop base on either side.
From the rear shock tower pickups to the main hoop base on either side.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by .RJ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
From the rear shock tower pickups to the main hoop base on either side.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ah.. gotcha.. or is this in addition to putting one at the bottom of the hoop from the driver's side to the passenger's side above the exhaust hump..?
anyone have any input on my question about drilling the 3/16" holes on the bars?
From the rear shock tower pickups to the main hoop base on either side.</TD></TR></TABLE>
ah.. gotcha.. or is this in addition to putting one at the bottom of the hoop from the driver's side to the passenger's side above the exhaust hump..?
anyone have any input on my question about drilling the 3/16" holes on the bars?


