I am considering doing a 13.5-1 build tuned on E85!

Anyone runnin it now?

Anyone try it and have bad experiences?

What do I need to know before even considering it.

 

You need on average 40% more fuel, meaning bigger injectors.

And before considering it you need to know how to click a red button called "Search" and put in "E85" and hit enter. That would be a good start.

 

I been a member for 7 year - I did search

Most the threads I found were no help.

I know I need bigger injectors to run e85 (not a big deal)

I want info from people who are running it now or have in the past.

Real life experiece only please.

Not I heard this and I heard that.

Thanks

 

Why don't you try it and find out if it works for you or not? If you read through all the threads that should be enough information to decided whether it's worth your time to try it or not.

 

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You have nothing to say that helps me at all.

GTFO !!!!

I read about 20 damn threads - NONE of them gave any long term effects - side effects etc...

Anyone who has used or is using E85 please chime in. I have a few questions!

Thank you

 

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I am not gonna just try it.

I am planning to do it. - I need to ask someone with experience to answer a few questions!

 

run it. you will be happy. i have ran it the past two seasons running 13.7:1 and 14.2:1 static compression ratios. it works very well. if you need someone semi-local that has experience tuning ethanol call the number in my signature. tell him pat sent you. if you have any other questions let me know.
i have ran it on a stock fuel system with walbro 255 and bigger injectors and also on a stainless braided system with fuel cell, etc. no problems with either.

 

14.5/1cr on E85 here

 

Also in for more info.

I also ain't going to "just try it". After spending alot of money on this build. I don't want to just take a chance on it.

 

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wow....

 

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wow....</TD></TR></TABLE>


damn those 10 second all motor cars

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lohatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">run it. you will be happy. i have ran it the past two seasons running 13.7:1 and 14.2:1 static compression ratios. it works very well. if you need someone semi-local that has experience tuning ethanol call the number in my signature. tell him pat sent you. if you have any other questions let me know.
i have ran it on a stock fuel system with walbro 255 and bigger injectors and also on a stainless braided system with fuel cell, etc. no problems with either.</TD></TR></TABLE>

WOW - and how big of injectors should I plan for?

What air fuel ratio should it be tuned for? I read that Ethanol and regular gasoline run different air fuel ratios!

Thanks a ton for the info!

Walbro 255 will be enough

 

E85's stoich ratio is 9.0:1 vs Gasoline's 14.7:1

 

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WOW - and how big of injectors should I plan for?

What air fuel ratio should it be tuned for? I read that Ethanol and regular gasoline run different air fuel ratios!

Thanks a ton for the info!

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DONT USE WALBRO. It is not rated for alcohol. I recommend going with RC 750cc injectors with the Aeromotive Compact EFI regulator and a Bosch 044 fuel pump with a -8an feed line. If you use Walbro, it will burn up.

This exactly what is on my h22 Prelude right now. E85 will make a huge difference in hp. I have 13.0:1 cp pistons. Timing has been advanced

 

660cc or 770cc should be good. . you should change your oil more often as well. I hear you shouldnt let it sit in your fuel system for a long period of time either?.

 

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DONT USE WALBRO. It is not rated for alcohol. I recommend going with RC 750cc injectors with the Aeromotive Compact EFI regulator and a Bosch 044 fuel pump with a -8an feed line. If you use Walbro, it will burn up.

This exactly what is on my h22 Prelude right now. E85 will make a huge difference in hp. I have 13.0:1 cp pistons. Timing has been advanced </TD></TR></TABLE>

Just because Walbro hasn't certified their pumps for E85 doesn't mean they won't work.

Burn up? What exactly is going to burn up?

E85 won't give you more power, but it will allow you to make more power safely. It's not like you just fill up with some E85 and adjust your AFR's and tada you have more HP.


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Why would you have to change your oil more often?

 

Well the main reason I want to run E85 is so I can run higher compression, with more timing advance. Which is more HP.

I don't understand that oil change thing either.

 

Do you plan on doing your own tuning on this? I'm thinking about building mine to run on E85 too. I was actually just talking to skunk about this yesterday.

 

I am plannin to find someone here in the area to do it for me! Chicago - Milwaukee - Cities - Just gotta find someone who has some experience with it.

 

I let my car sit for a month with E85 in the tank, went to turn it on and pump would not kick on This was on a stock pump though.When I did pull the pump out I looked inside the tank there was a white film all inside the tank.I would run a lube additive of some sort.

 

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You have to figure E85 is a much more corrosive and "DRY" fuel than regular gasoline. I would assume that it probably dried the pump seals out. That is one of my concerns.

I would really like to know how bad this stuff really is? What can be done to prevent it?

 

Marvel Mystery oil

 

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+1000

 

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Just because Walbro hasn't certified their pumps for E85 doesn't mean they won't work.</TD></TR></TABLE>

If their pumps were intended/could handle E85 they would advertise the hell out of it. Guess why they dont?


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Burn up? What exactly is going to burn up?

E85 won't give you more power, but it will allow you to make more power safely. It's not like you just fill up with some E85 and adjust your AFR's and tada you have more HP.


Why would you have to change your oil more often? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Since I acutually use E85 and am actually speaking from experience...

Call Walbro and ask them if their pumps can be used with E85. Then call Bosch and ask the same question. MB flex fuel vehicles all have Bosch fuel pumps. Sure the Walbro might last a year. Is it worth the risk? That is correct, the Walbro WILL BURN UP/OUT.


Ask Jeff Evans of Evans tuning. He has done more work with E85 than most of the membership here. I know- you know eveything and dont have to ask.

 

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E85 won't give you more power, but it will allow you to make more power safely. It's not like you just fill up with some E85 and adjust your AFR's and tada you have more HP.


Why would you have to change your oil more often? </TD></TR></TABLE>

wrong. E85 is an oxygenated fuel. so for every fuel molecule you are getting an oxygen molecule. this results in more power. methonal contains two oxygen molecules, thats why it makes more power. the increased octane does allow for a more aggresive engine build too.

and the reason people claim you need to change oil more often is due to the increased amount of raw fuel going into the engine and the greater chance for some to find its way past the rings and into the crankcase. i havent seen this to be too bad however. i daily drove my engine last year but changed my oil probably every 1000 miles anyways. this years engine seemed to get an oil change every week since i had it apart alot. lol

and to the OP, how much power do you plan to make?

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What air fuel ratio should it be tuned for? I read that Ethanol and regular gasoline run different air fuel ratios!

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i have run two widebands on my car at the same time with E85. an innovate LM1 set for ethonal and a PLX set on gas. with the lm1 in the 8:1's the plx was in the 12:1's.

there are a lot of local cars running 255s for multiple seasons with no failure yet. so proceed at your own risk. and we have made over 500 on a 255 and e85. so it is big enough for the all motor cars.