i was about to order the ls swap cause u guys said its better than a b16 but when i went to buy it the sales guy said i should consider getting the b20b cause he says it has more power and torque any comment on this

 

just look up the specs...i dont know htem form memory. see if hes right. i could be wrong dont quote me but b20b isnt a very popualr engine as an ls. wut if **** breaks and u dont wanna buy new. go with ls and build it up. i would anyways.

 

I have a b20b block with b16 head to go in my crx so i will also want to get some info on this swap.

 

I was VERY unimpressed with my b18a swap. It was fun for a while, but i got over that fast. Even with cams and such it never really got to be that quick. Id pick b16a/b20z/b18c over a b18a/b anyday. id only buy a b18a/b would be if i was going turbo.

For the price of the swap, id rather see u turbo the D series.

 

My cr-vtec is very, very torquey...

 

Even non-VTEC, a B20 feels ALOT better than a B18A/B18B.

 

so should i get the b20

 

I will say that if I were to buy another B Series for a personal vehicle, it would definately be a B20

 

Boosted LS will own a B20b, B20 have week sleeves it feel fast because of tourqe...LS is cheap easy to find my friend and I each have like 2 spares...Also for who has the B2 vtec did you have to have the cumbustion chamber expanded on the head because the B20 cyl are a bigger bore than the other b series? go ls turbo or ls/vtec

 

b20 have weaker block so going turbo wont be in the question if you are going to be running a stock block.... thni sleeves will own you

on the other hand, the b18 is popular bc it is great for boost they loooovvee boost. if i was you i would go with a jdm b16a but thats just me, there are a few reasons why i choose b16 but b18 is good too

 

SO FORGET THE B20 AND SPEND A COUPLE OF DOLLARS EXTRA AND GET A B16

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lrcrx90 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was about to order the ls swap cause u guys said its better than a b16 but when i went to buy it the sales guy said i should consider getting the b20b cause he says it has more power and torque any comment on this</TD></TR></TABLE>

What freakin moron told you an ls is better than a b16??? They should be slapped. An ef with a b16 will stomp an ef with a b18a/b any day. I do it all the time.

 

b20 all the way!!!!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lrcrx90 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">SO FORGET THE B20 AND SPEND A COUPLE OF DOLLARS EXTRA AND GET A B16</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by QuarterMileMaster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What freakin moron told you an ls is better than a b16??? They should be slapped. An ef with a b16 will stomp an ef with a b18a/b any day. I do it all the time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

B16 rex

 

But and ef with an ls turbo will destroy a b16 turbo

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Loserkidwac &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But and ef with an ls turbo will destroy a b16 turbo </TD></TR></TABLE>

There is so many variables to that statement that aren't being discussed which makes it impossible to make that conclusion. A properly sized turbo on both with equal tuning, the b16 will still win. More power + boost vs. less power + boost. More power + boost will win.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by QuarterMileMaster &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

What freakin moron told you an ls is better than a b16??? They should be slapped. An ef with a b16 will stomp an ef with a b18a/b any day. I do it all the time.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yea maybe a stock ls with the ls tranny vs a b16 with its y1 tranny

but a ls with a y1 or even ys1 tranny will take a b16.

i dont care how much your vtec pulls, displacement is always better (well depending on how you look at, in most cases it is)


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There is so many variables to that statement that aren't being discussed which makes it impossible to make that conclusion. A properly sized turbo on both with equal tuning, the b16 will still win. More power + boost vs. less power + boost. More power + boost will win.</TD></TR></TABLE>

fuuuuck that ****, ill give you a tip, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. Yea it may have more HORSEPOWER but the ls will have way more torque. and torque my friend wins races

but what am i saying, hondas have no torque

 

i gotta be honest,,going from a stock b20b (low compression one) to a ls motor with the same obd1 pr4 ecu,,i dont even notice much difference if any at all....but once you start getting into the motor high compression,,vtec head..etc..you notice the b20 tq over the ls tq..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bjorn20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yea maybe a stock ls with the ls tranny vs a b16 with its y1 tranny

but a ls with a y1 or even ys1 tranny will take a b16.

i dont care how much your vtec pulls, displacement is always better (well depending on how you look at, in most cases it is)


fuuuuck that ****, ill give you a tip, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. Yea it may have more HORSEPOWER but the ls will have way more torque. and torque my friend wins races

but what am i saying, hondas have no torque </TD></TR></TABLE>

You say torque wins races? Well how bout you read the thread in this link and then tell me that torque wins races. I think it might change your mind. Warning, it's long but if you want to really know what you're talking about you'll read it.
http://www.houston240sx.com/fo...=2245

Torque makes cars feel faster, but horsepower makes them faster.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bjorn20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yea maybe a stock ls with the ls tranny vs a b16 with its y1 tranny

but a ls with a y1 or even ys1 tranny will take a b16.

i dont care how much your vtec pulls, displacement is always better (well depending on how you look at, in most cases it is)

fuuuuck that ****, ill give you a tip, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. Yea it may have more HORSEPOWER but the ls will have way more torque. and torque my friend wins races</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are a total idiot.

I can create 155 lb-ft of torque on a bicycle with a 1ft crank. That's more torque than an F20C1 produces at the flywheel. So are you telling me I could beat an AP1 S2000 on my bicycle?

Torque alone means nothing without being applied to RPM. 10,000 lb-ft of torque at 0 RPM is . . . zero horsepower, and zero work being done.

 

For the love of all thats ******* holy! you guys are all full of ****!

The age old debate between horsepower and torque. YOU NEED BOTH TO BE EFFECTIVE. Just pick a platform you want to play with and have some fun. Who the **** cares about what engine owns what engine. You ALL plan on tuning and modding what you have anyway right?

so just go have some fun and save the bench racing im faster than you bullshit for the track.

besides, arguing whats better than what over the net is just all a bunch of hypothetical ego anyway. ENJOY YOUR HOBBY.

OFF RANT.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIred91 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">For the love of all thats ******* holy! you guys are all full of ****!

The age old debate between horsepower and torque. YOU NEED BOTH TO BE EFFECTIVE. Just pick a platform you want to play with and have some fun. Who the **** cares about what engine owns what engine. You ALL plan on tuning and modding what you have anyway right?

so just go have some fun and save the bench racing im faster than you bullshit for the track.

besides, arguing whats better than what over the net is just all a bunch of hypothetical ego anyway. ENJOY YOUR HOBBY.

OFF RANT.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I wouldn't quite say it's arguing. More like debating aggressively. Either way, it's one thing if it was a matter of opinion on this matter but it's not. It's scientific facts. The common misconception that tq. makes speed needs to be remedied especially for people who drive hondas that don't make large amounts of tq anyway. I'll prove my point on a track any day. Being able to have somewhat intelligent debates is part of the joy of the hobby I believe. At least it is for me.

 

yup, ill agree, but what is funny is the people who spring on all the one liners and think its all they need to know.
theres a lot to the ol horsepower and torque thing. bottom line is; you gotta lotta both than you are damn fast. on the honda thing though,some torque plus a ***** load of horsepower and you are damn fast too.

if you can drive.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SIred91 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yup, ill agree, but what is funny is the people who spring on all the one liners and think its all they need to know.
theres a lot to the ol horsepower and torque thing. bottom line is; you gotta lotta both than you are damn fast. on the honda thing though,some torque plus a ***** load of horsepower and you are damn fast too.

if you can drive.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly.

 

for the original poster:

http://faq.ef-honda.com/index....ng=en