Tires that stick
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Re: Tires that stick (larful)
NO. if you want good rain tires get the BFG KDW or Gforce sports. what are you doing with these tires? DD, Drag, Autox? you probably should just get 205 50's if you want low profile and daily drive it.
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Re: Tires that stick (Merlin8188)
what the damn is happening in this thread? 225 bfg drag radials for a street ef? ra-1's? yes his question was incomplete, but wtf?
quit poking around and buy 205-50-15 azenis. done.
quit poking around and buy 205-50-15 azenis. done.
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Re: Tires that stick (rsca_crx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what the damn is happening in this thread? 225 bfg drag radials for a street ef? ra-1's? yes his question was incomplete, but wtf?
quit poking around and buy 205-50-15 azenis. done. </TD></TR></TABLE>
he said tires that stick. he never said it was a street car or what car for that matter. super sticky tire= BFG DR
quit poking around and buy 205-50-15 azenis. done. </TD></TR></TABLE>
he said tires that stick. he never said it was a street car or what car for that matter. super sticky tire= BFG DR
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Re: Tires that stick (larful)
In WA with all the rain you should probably consider the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. They are rated high above the majority of street performance tires in dry and wet conditions.
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Re: Tires that stick (rsca_crx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what the damn is happening in this thread? 225 bfg drag radials for a street ef? ra-1's? yes his question was incomplete, but wtf?
quit poking around and buy 205-50-15 azenis. done. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, common sense says a tire like Azeni's will work and if he is asking "are those good in the rain too" that shows he is looking for a street tire.
Falken Azeni's R-615
Hankook R-S2 Z212 (Azeni's are better)
Goodyear D3's
I personally would go with the RT-615's, there are many reviews including a great one by grassrootmotorsport. 205/15/15 is $78 a tire from vulcan, how can you go wrong with these.
quit poking around and buy 205-50-15 azenis. done. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I agree, common sense says a tire like Azeni's will work and if he is asking "are those good in the rain too" that shows he is looking for a street tire.
Falken Azeni's R-615
Hankook R-S2 Z212 (Azeni's are better)
Goodyear D3's
I personally would go with the RT-615's, there are many reviews including a great one by grassrootmotorsport. 205/15/15 is $78 a tire from vulcan, how can you go wrong with these.
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Re: Tires that stick (EF8opey)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EF8opey »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
he said tires that stick. he never said it was a street car or what car for that matter. super sticky tire= BFG DR </TD></TR></TABLE>
agreed, the question was poorly stated. i guess after a bazillion people post easy and incomplete questions like this one it is easy to understand what they are really looking for. if he was a serious racer of any sort, a more serious question would have been posted.
to the original poster- don´t take offense at any of this. everyone here made similar posts when they arrived, and i´m just trying to help you get the info you´re looking for without having a ton of useless info to sift through.
to ef8opey´s credit- you tossed up your answer before he asked about rain. perhaps to answer his question as stated more properly (and equally as sarcastically) you should have said a 22x9.5x15 hoosier road race slick.
he said tires that stick. he never said it was a street car or what car for that matter. super sticky tire= BFG DR
</TD></TR></TABLE>agreed, the question was poorly stated. i guess after a bazillion people post easy and incomplete questions like this one it is easy to understand what they are really looking for. if he was a serious racer of any sort, a more serious question would have been posted.
to the original poster- don´t take offense at any of this. everyone here made similar posts when they arrived, and i´m just trying to help you get the info you´re looking for without having a ton of useless info to sift through.
to ef8opey´s credit- you tossed up your answer before he asked about rain. perhaps to answer his question as stated more properly (and equally as sarcastically) you should have said a 22x9.5x15 hoosier road race slick.
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Re: Tires that stick (larful)
Larful,
Instead of forcing everyone to guess at what you really want, or just shout out whatever kind of tire comes to mind, how about answering a few questions? That will help us recommend the tire that best meets your priorities.
1. What kind of car is this going on (year, model, version)?
2. How do you plan to use these tires? Racetracks/autocross? Dragstrip? Or just street driving?
3. Will they ever be used in snow and frigid cold?
4. How much do you care about cost and treadlife? Would you give up some performance in order to get a tire that costs less and lasts longer?
There are a lot of good tires out there, but they all do different things well. Let us know the answers to these questions and we can tell you which tire is best at the things that are most important to you.
Instead of forcing everyone to guess at what you really want, or just shout out whatever kind of tire comes to mind, how about answering a few questions? That will help us recommend the tire that best meets your priorities.
1. What kind of car is this going on (year, model, version)?
2. How do you plan to use these tires? Racetracks/autocross? Dragstrip? Or just street driving?
3. Will they ever be used in snow and frigid cold?
4. How much do you care about cost and treadlife? Would you give up some performance in order to get a tire that costs less and lasts longer?
There are a lot of good tires out there, but they all do different things well. Let us know the answers to these questions and we can tell you which tire is best at the things that are most important to you.
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1. What kind of car is this going on (year, model, version)?
1991 crx si , 16a1 swap
2. How do you plan to use these tires? Racetracks/autocross? Dragstrip? Or just street driving?
Street and auto cross
3. Will they ever be used in snow and frigid cold?
mostly in rain not so much snow Im in rainy washington
4. How much do you care about cost and treadlife? Would you give up some performance in order to get a tire that costs less and
treadlife is important but I think tires are important I just know nothing about what tires to shop for. Im not going to just go into some local tires store and ssay hook me up ... when I order my rims online. I want to know what perticular type and style I need first
1991 crx si , 16a1 swap
2. How do you plan to use these tires? Racetracks/autocross? Dragstrip? Or just street driving?
Street and auto cross
3. Will they ever be used in snow and frigid cold?
mostly in rain not so much snow Im in rainy washington
4. How much do you care about cost and treadlife? Would you give up some performance in order to get a tire that costs less and
treadlife is important but I think tires are important I just know nothing about what tires to shop for. Im not going to just go into some local tires store and ssay hook me up ... when I order my rims online. I want to know what perticular type and style I need first
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Re: Tires that stick (nsxtasy)
well sorry I didnt word it up to your standards in what you would like to see from this site. there's no other way to really word it then whats a good tire? Im going to get a light weight 15" rim .. a rota type rim for my crx .. I dont wanna just put some cheap falcon tires on it so Im trying to listen to you good people and step back and try and learn something about tires here...thanks
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Re: Tires that stick (larful)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by larful »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well sorry I didnt word it up to your standards in what you would like to see from this site. there's no other way to really word it then whats a good tire? Im going to get a light weight 15" rim .. a rota type rim for my crx .. I dont wanna just put some cheap falcon tires on it so Im trying to listen to you good people and step back and try and learn something about tires here...thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
a good tire to me may be alot different then a good tire to you. I don't care at all about long lasting and I want MAX dry grip, in fact i don't care if it lasts 15,000km i want grip. where as you may want it to last 20,000km+ and in your case, it needs to handle rain too. Another person may want it to handle snow as well, in which case you've be severely limited in choice. A tire is not just a tire, people here can't recommend a one tire fits all.
some simple terms:
- treadware rating = the higher the wear rating, the longer lasting. Azeni RT-615 is 200, which is just about a full out race tire...it won't last long at all.
- you want to stick within about +/- 2% of your overall stock diameter. This means if stock was 195/55/15, you could go with 205/50/15 if the tire you want came in that size but not 195/55/15...or if you just wanted a slightly smaller sidewall.
- Read reviews, grassrootmotorsport has reviews of many performance tires, tirerack.com has user reviews of many tires as well. As long as you buy a quality tire (Yokohama ES100, Toyo Proxes T1-R, Kumho SPT, Falken Azeni RT-615, Hankook Z212, Goodyear D3, and many more)
- then, search on here (including archived) and you'll see previous recommendations too. In your case auto-x means you want alot of grip, but rain means you want a well rounded daily driver tire. For you, Goodyear D3 would be my choice.
Grip for dry and rain, probably Goodyear D3 since it will handle rain better then Azeni's.
a good tire to me may be alot different then a good tire to you. I don't care at all about long lasting and I want MAX dry grip, in fact i don't care if it lasts 15,000km i want grip. where as you may want it to last 20,000km+ and in your case, it needs to handle rain too. Another person may want it to handle snow as well, in which case you've be severely limited in choice. A tire is not just a tire, people here can't recommend a one tire fits all.
some simple terms:
- treadware rating = the higher the wear rating, the longer lasting. Azeni RT-615 is 200, which is just about a full out race tire...it won't last long at all.
- you want to stick within about +/- 2% of your overall stock diameter. This means if stock was 195/55/15, you could go with 205/50/15 if the tire you want came in that size but not 195/55/15...or if you just wanted a slightly smaller sidewall.
- Read reviews, grassrootmotorsport has reviews of many performance tires, tirerack.com has user reviews of many tires as well. As long as you buy a quality tire (Yokohama ES100, Toyo Proxes T1-R, Kumho SPT, Falken Azeni RT-615, Hankook Z212, Goodyear D3, and many more)
- then, search on here (including archived) and you'll see previous recommendations too. In your case auto-x means you want alot of grip, but rain means you want a well rounded daily driver tire. For you, Goodyear D3 would be my choice.
Grip for dry and rain, probably Goodyear D3 since it will handle rain better then Azeni's.
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Thanks for the information. And 
to you for asking about which tires are best, instead of walking into a tire store. Unfortunately, most tire stores just want to sell you whatever they have in stock, without taking the time to figure out what you really need (and order it).
The best matching 15" size for your car is 195/50-15, meaning that it will keep your speedometer and odometer accurate, shouldn't rub, etc. You can also go with a 205/50-15, which is 1.5 percent larger than stock in diameter. If it were my car, I would prefer a 195/50 if I were getting tires just for daily driving, but I might also consider 205/50 if I really cared about autocross performance.
I agree with alwaysoverkill that the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (that's the full name, don't ask for a "D3" or they might not know what you're talking about) is a great choice for your needs. It comes in 195/50-15 (in fact, that's the only 15" size) and it's maybe the best all-around street tire on the market today, as good as the Bridgestone Potenza S-03, etc. This is the tire that won the comparison test of eleven top-of-the-line tires in the December Car and Driver, and it was first (by far) in wet performance. (You can read the website version here but it doesn't have all the detailed graphs that were in the print version.) The Goodyear F1 GS-D3 is also priced considerably less than the S-03; the 195/50-15 is $88 at the Tire Rack. It will also give you moderately good treadlife; you ought to get 15-30K out of a set, which is pretty good.
If you cared MOSTLY about doing well in autocross, and didn't care about treadlife and wet performance, then I'd mention the Falken RT-615, which comes in 205/50-15, but not until later this year in 195/50-15. But they wear extremely rapidly, and they won't do anywhere near as well as the Goodyear in the rain (although they're not as bad as their RT-215 predecessor).
There are some less expensive tires around that are still pretty good - such as the Kumho Ecsta SPT, Yokohama ES100, and Toyo T1-R, all of which can be gotten for $55-60 in 195/50-15 - but none of them offers the superb performance of the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. And it sounds like that's what you're looking for.
Here's what that Car and Driver article said about the Goodyear F1 GS-D3:
First Place
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
As an all-around high-performance tire, you can't beat this Goodyear. It was the best performer in all three wet-track tests and was very competent in the dry. It generated 0.94 g on the dry skidpad, only 0.01 g off the first-place BFGoodrich and tied with the Yokohama and Hankook.
The Goodyear gripped so well that you might not have been certain the road was wet, and it lost traction in a gentle, predictable manner. It held onto the wet track with 0.82 g of stick, an impressive figure considering the worst tire in that test made only 0.67 g.
The Eagle F1 got a lot of favorable comments. In the wet, Geswein called it "direct"—a way of saying the tire provided clear signals about its contact with the pavement.
There were tires that performed better in the dry, but the Eagle wasn't far off. It was a little less precise than the BFG and Yokohama on a dry track, but not by much. And like the Continental, the Goodyear had a high 280 tread-wear grade. At $145 each, it's $34 cheaper than the most expensive tire here.
to you for asking about which tires are best, instead of walking into a tire store. Unfortunately, most tire stores just want to sell you whatever they have in stock, without taking the time to figure out what you really need (and order it).The best matching 15" size for your car is 195/50-15, meaning that it will keep your speedometer and odometer accurate, shouldn't rub, etc. You can also go with a 205/50-15, which is 1.5 percent larger than stock in diameter. If it were my car, I would prefer a 195/50 if I were getting tires just for daily driving, but I might also consider 205/50 if I really cared about autocross performance.
I agree with alwaysoverkill that the Goodyear F1 GS-D3 (that's the full name, don't ask for a "D3" or they might not know what you're talking about) is a great choice for your needs. It comes in 195/50-15 (in fact, that's the only 15" size) and it's maybe the best all-around street tire on the market today, as good as the Bridgestone Potenza S-03, etc. This is the tire that won the comparison test of eleven top-of-the-line tires in the December Car and Driver, and it was first (by far) in wet performance. (You can read the website version here but it doesn't have all the detailed graphs that were in the print version.) The Goodyear F1 GS-D3 is also priced considerably less than the S-03; the 195/50-15 is $88 at the Tire Rack. It will also give you moderately good treadlife; you ought to get 15-30K out of a set, which is pretty good.
If you cared MOSTLY about doing well in autocross, and didn't care about treadlife and wet performance, then I'd mention the Falken RT-615, which comes in 205/50-15, but not until later this year in 195/50-15. But they wear extremely rapidly, and they won't do anywhere near as well as the Goodyear in the rain (although they're not as bad as their RT-215 predecessor).
There are some less expensive tires around that are still pretty good - such as the Kumho Ecsta SPT, Yokohama ES100, and Toyo T1-R, all of which can be gotten for $55-60 in 195/50-15 - but none of them offers the superb performance of the Goodyear F1 GS-D3. And it sounds like that's what you're looking for.
Here's what that Car and Driver article said about the Goodyear F1 GS-D3:
First Place
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3
As an all-around high-performance tire, you can't beat this Goodyear. It was the best performer in all three wet-track tests and was very competent in the dry. It generated 0.94 g on the dry skidpad, only 0.01 g off the first-place BFGoodrich and tied with the Yokohama and Hankook.
The Goodyear gripped so well that you might not have been certain the road was wet, and it lost traction in a gentle, predictable manner. It held onto the wet track with 0.82 g of stick, an impressive figure considering the worst tire in that test made only 0.67 g.
The Eagle F1 got a lot of favorable comments. In the wet, Geswein called it "direct"—a way of saying the tire provided clear signals about its contact with the pavement.
There were tires that performed better in the dry, but the Eagle wasn't far off. It was a little less precise than the BFG and Yokohama on a dry track, but not by much. And like the Continental, the Goodyear had a high 280 tread-wear grade. At $145 each, it's $34 cheaper than the most expensive tire here.
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Re: Tires that stick (larful)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by larful »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">well sorry I didnt word it up to your standards in what you would like to see from this site. there's no other way to really word it then whats a good tire? Im going to get a light weight 15" rim .. a rota type rim for my crx .. I dont wanna just put some cheap falcon tires on it so Im trying to listen to you good people and step back and try and learn something about tires here...thanks</TD></TR></TABLE>
way to insult the people offering you a bone retard. all anyone said was that if you wanted a good answer, ask a good question- one that includes the information needed to provide a proper response. nsxtasy knows his **** about tires (albeit his tastes vary from mine quite a bit), and even ignored you asshat remarks to give you another solid answer.
those "cheap falcon tires" you refer to are one of the best things that you could to to you not-so "lightweight 15in...rota".
i'd recommend relaxing a bit - here and in the other threads you've entered your advice in- so that you can operate within the "standards that we would like to see from this site" and keep things productive.
way to insult the people offering you a bone retard. all anyone said was that if you wanted a good answer, ask a good question- one that includes the information needed to provide a proper response. nsxtasy knows his **** about tires (albeit his tastes vary from mine quite a bit), and even ignored you asshat remarks to give you another solid answer.
those "cheap falcon tires" you refer to are one of the best things that you could to to you not-so "lightweight 15in...rota".
i'd recommend relaxing a bit - here and in the other threads you've entered your advice in- so that you can operate within the "standards that we would like to see from this site" and keep things productive.
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Re: Tires that stick (rsca_crx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">way to insult the people offering you a bone retard.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you're going to criticize someone for insulting others, don't include an insult in what you're saying.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nsxtasy knows his **** about tires (albeit his tastes vary from mine quite a bit)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, I rarely talk about my tastes (what I prefer for my own cars). I merely point out the pluses and minuses of various tires so that folks can understand what best meets their needs. I often recommend tires that I don't use myself, because other folks have different preferences and trade-offs from mine. However, I pretty much limit myself to the tires that are best at a given set of attributes. For example, if one tire performs better AND is cheaper than another tire, I'll never even mention the second tire, because that's pretty much a no-brainer IMO.
If you're going to criticize someone for insulting others, don't include an insult in what you're saying.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rsca_crx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nsxtasy knows his **** about tires (albeit his tastes vary from mine quite a bit)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Actually, I rarely talk about my tastes (what I prefer for my own cars). I merely point out the pluses and minuses of various tires so that folks can understand what best meets their needs. I often recommend tires that I don't use myself, because other folks have different preferences and trade-offs from mine. However, I pretty much limit myself to the tires that are best at a given set of attributes. For example, if one tire performs better AND is cheaper than another tire, I'll never even mention the second tire, because that's pretty much a no-brainer IMO.
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Re: Tires that stick (nsxtasy)
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If you're going to criticize someone for insulting others, don't include an insult in what you're saying.
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a smarter retort would cover both parts of a two part criticism, but i'll agree with the general idea that it is better to bail water than to drill holes. niceties, however, aren't the point in this case- i'm saying that you shouldn't act like a jerkoff to people that are trying to help you.
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Actually, I rarely talk about my tastes (what I prefer for my own cars). I merely point out the pluses and minuses of various tires so that folks can understand what best meets their needs. I often recommend tires that I don't use myself, because other folks have different preferences and trade-offs from mine. However, I pretty much limit myself to the tires that are best at a given set of attributes. For example, if one tire performs better AND is cheaper than another tire, I'll never even mention the second tire, because that's pretty much a no-brainer IMO.
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this isn't my first walk 'round the block, but i give credit where it's due.
edit: i got roped into this thread when it was getting swatted around the ef forum- not when it was here getting actual advice.
If you're going to criticize someone for insulting others, don't include an insult in what you're saying.
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a smarter retort would cover both parts of a two part criticism, but i'll agree with the general idea that it is better to bail water than to drill holes. niceties, however, aren't the point in this case- i'm saying that you shouldn't act like a jerkoff to people that are trying to help you.
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Actually, I rarely talk about my tastes (what I prefer for my own cars). I merely point out the pluses and minuses of various tires so that folks can understand what best meets their needs. I often recommend tires that I don't use myself, because other folks have different preferences and trade-offs from mine. However, I pretty much limit myself to the tires that are best at a given set of attributes. For example, if one tire performs better AND is cheaper than another tire, I'll never even mention the second tire, because that's pretty much a no-brainer IMO.
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this isn't my first walk 'round the block, but i give credit where it's due.
edit: i got roped into this thread when it was getting swatted around the ef forum- not when it was here getting actual advice.
