From a buisness POV the Great Header Test stands to make on company dominate the market for a while
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From a buisness POV the Great Header Test stands to make on company dominate the market for a while
This Test is going to be alot more then just decieding what Header gives more power, it is also going to change a few company Revune sheets greatly, for bad or good. I think some company's realize this becasue lets be honest, Honda-Tech, in my opinion, has I would say has a great market share of the people who buy these products, I think SMS understands the signifigance of this test, but are any of the other manufactors aware that this test is going on, or even there North American distributers, if i were them, i would be monitering this closly, because i dont know about everyone else, but my next header decision is comming strait from this test, and im sure if I am, there has to be at least 50 people that are looking at this test for purchasing help, and if there are 50 people that will now buy that Hy-tech header, or that Sms Header, well than thats at least $50,000 more in revenue for that company, and i think im low-balling it at 50.
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i think you're greatly underestimating the size of the market as well as overestimating the influence such a test will have
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Once the test results come out and the word spreads across the net, somebody is gonna gain a great deal of customers.
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i think you're greatly underestimating the size of the market as well as overestimating the influence such a test will have
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i think you're greatly underestimating the size of the market as well as overestimating the influence such a test will have
I agree...this test is only going to relate to a STOCK ITR, and I know for a fact that many R owners run aftermarket cams, turbo, sc, etc. The results are going to vary for those cars. I think this test will give people a general idea of what they're looking for, but the actual results will probably be open to interpretation.
I agree...this test is only going to relate to a STOCK ITR, and I know for a fact that many R owners run aftermarket cams, turbo, sc, etc. The results are going to vary for those cars. I think this test will give people a general idea of what they're looking for, but the actual results will probably be open to interpretation.
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You also have to realize that a lot of people will probably justify spending LESS....
say for example the JDM DC 4-1 dynoes 6-10whp less than a Mugen but also costs a lot less. Perhaps guys WOULD spend what it costs for a Mugen header but they would rather buy a JDM DC 4-1 and a set of cam gears or something else.....
Just my worthless CAD 2cents on this issue....
say for example the JDM DC 4-1 dynoes 6-10whp less than a Mugen but also costs a lot less. Perhaps guys WOULD spend what it costs for a Mugen header but they would rather buy a JDM DC 4-1 and a set of cam gears or something else.....
Just my worthless CAD 2cents on this issue....
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Good point Raging Angel,
I agree that after seeing the results, "which may or may not proove that one product is really better than another," But, may justify spending So much or a little less for similar results.
And SMSP/Dave is Not the Only game going, check the list for the contenders, One is Hytech, another is Spoon. So what if bigger more known comercialized companies are not represented. Maybe after this test another will grow to include all of the available headers for import enthusiasts.
Bottom line, the results will be more important to me, "and alot of others I assume," at least more than anything in SCC, Import Tuner or SS combined. The testing will be less biased than the advertisers promoting their Sheet in the rags.
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[Modified by 1GreyTeg, 7:15 PM 12/10/2001]
I agree that after seeing the results, "which may or may not proove that one product is really better than another," But, may justify spending So much or a little less for similar results.
And SMSP/Dave is Not the Only game going, check the list for the contenders, One is Hytech, another is Spoon. So what if bigger more known comercialized companies are not represented. Maybe after this test another will grow to include all of the available headers for import enthusiasts.
Bottom line, the results will be more important to me, "and alot of others I assume," at least more than anything in SCC, Import Tuner or SS combined. The testing will be less biased than the advertisers promoting their Sheet in the rags.
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[Modified by 1GreyTeg, 7:15 PM 12/10/2001]
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Everyone will use this in so many different ways. i am anxiously awaiting this as well to see what header I will be purchasing this spring. I too like the point Racing Angel made. If a spoon header only yields 2-3 whp over a JDM ITR 4-1, I wouldn't justify spending the extra money either. Everyone will take it as they please.
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Agreed. If a header makes over 10hp more than my DC JDM, then I'll probably switch. But, I'm not switching for less than 5hp and over $600+ dollars more. Plus, on different applications the results will be different, so one shouldn't go kicking themselves over a few HP here and there.
But if that magical 10+ hp header is out there, then yes, that company could stand to make a wad of $$.
But if that magical 10+ hp header is out there, then yes, that company could stand to make a wad of $$.
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This Test is going to be alot more then just decieding what Header gives more power, it is also going to change a few company Revune sheets greatly, for bad or good. I think some company's realize this becasue lets be honest, Honda-Tech, in my opinion, has I would say has a great market share of the people who buy these products, I think SMS understands the signifigance of this test, but are any of the other manufactors aware that this test is going on, or even there North American distributers, if i were them, i would be monitering this closly, because i dont know about everyone else, but my next header decision is comming strait from this test, and im sure if I am, there has to be at least 50 people that are looking at this test for purchasing help, and if there are 50 people that will now buy that Hy-tech header, or that Sms Header, well than thats at least $50,000 more in revenue for that company, and i think im low-balling it at 50.
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Hhhhhmmmmm??? For a lot of people it may be a case of deciding that they only have $XXX amount of dollars to spend and want to get the best for their money.
If I have $600, what's the best way to go for a header under that amount?
If I have $900, what's the best header under that amount?
For others it may be deciding which header puts additional power in the RPM range where they want the power to be the strongest. I'm willing to sacrifice some upper end power to strengthen the power band in the midrange. A header/exhaust combo that beefs up the power band in the 6,000 to 8,000 and falls off after 8,400 would be a Bitchin' system to combine with Mike's Jun II intake/ITR exhaust. Combine it with a pair of TODA C's and it won't be happy at all. Kinda makes an adjustable header sound real useful, doesn't it?
Ponder,ponder,ponder....... (Now if I change the length of my CAI to match???)
John
If I have $600, what's the best way to go for a header under that amount?
If I have $900, what's the best header under that amount?
For others it may be deciding which header puts additional power in the RPM range where they want the power to be the strongest. I'm willing to sacrifice some upper end power to strengthen the power band in the midrange. A header/exhaust combo that beefs up the power band in the 6,000 to 8,000 and falls off after 8,400 would be a Bitchin' system to combine with Mike's Jun II intake/ITR exhaust. Combine it with a pair of TODA C's and it won't be happy at all. Kinda makes an adjustable header sound real useful, doesn't it?
Ponder,ponder,ponder....... (Now if I change the length of my CAI to match???)
John
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This Test is going to be alot more then just decieding what Header gives more power, it is also going to change a few company Revune sheets greatly, for bad or good. I think some company's realize this becasue lets be honest, Honda-Tech, in my opinion, has I would say has a great market share of the people who buy these products, I think SMS understands the signifigance of this test, but are any of the other manufactors aware that this test is going on, or even there North American distributers, if i were them, i would be monitering this closly, because i dont know about everyone else, but my next header decision is comming strait from this test, and im sure if I am, there has to be at least 50 people that are looking at this test for purchasing help, and if there are 50 people that will now buy that Hy-tech header, or that Sms Header, well than thats at least $50,000 more in revenue for that company, and i think im low-balling it at 50.
that`s a long sentence.
that`s a long sentence.
I retrospect looking at my original post, i don know if I overestimated the Power of these results, but your right if the top header only makes 2-3 more hp than second/third, the results will not have that much pull, however if oe of them do make 10hp peak, and same threw the midrage,(which i doubt it) than 1 company stands to do very well
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I wonder if the people making this header test happen contacted any magazines such as SCC, IT, etc..?
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Has anyone compiled a list of the headers with their prices? What kind of range are we talking about here?
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My only concern are people looking at the peak hp numbers only and not paying attention to torque, A/F Ratio, Acceleration etc.
Wouldnt want this to end up like when Super street or one of those mags did a "test" about a year ago, and it had the Mugen only making about 1hp and then a DC making like 14hp or some BS, That whole "test" was BS as far as Im concerned But still people who were new would post " Hey I read this magazine and it say that mugen only added 1 hp
Note to everyone - Make sure to look at the Big Picture
Wouldnt want this to end up like when Super street or one of those mags did a "test" about a year ago, and it had the Mugen only making about 1hp and then a DC making like 14hp or some BS, That whole "test" was BS as far as Im concerned But still people who were new would post " Hey I read this magazine and it say that mugen only added 1 hp
Note to everyone - Make sure to look at the Big Picture
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My only concern are people looking at the peak hp numbers only and not paying attention to torque, A/F Ratio, Acceleration etc.
Wouldnt want this to end up like when Super street or one of those mags did a "test" about a year ago, and it had the Mugen only making about 1hp and then a DC making like 14hp or some BS, That whole "test" was BS as far as Im concerned But still people who were new would post " Hey I read this magazine and it say that mugen only added 1 hp
Note to everyone - Make sure to look at the Big Picture
Wouldnt want this to end up like when Super street or one of those mags did a "test" about a year ago, and it had the Mugen only making about 1hp and then a DC making like 14hp or some BS, That whole "test" was BS as far as Im concerned But still people who were new would post " Hey I read this magazine and it say that mugen only added 1 hp
Note to everyone - Make sure to look at the Big Picture
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Yeah. Is there gonna be graphs of each header? Peak numbers don't prove my in my case, street car.
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link to info on this header test? (yes my head must have been in a hole)
[edit] nevermind - i was being lazy...
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[edit] nevermind - i was being lazy...
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I will be curious to find out if a nice header will flow more power than doing a jdm 4-1, cam gears, and VAFC or possibly cams as well
wouldnt it be nice to just be able to bolt on a comptech intake, SMSP header and exhaust and make around 190~ to the wheels?
that way you dont have to rebuild (cams& pistons) and rev your engine to hell
wouldnt it be nice to just be able to bolt on a comptech intake, SMSP header and exhaust and make around 190~ to the wheels?
that way you dont have to rebuild (cams& pistons) and rev your engine to hell
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My only concern are people looking at the peak hp numbers only and not paying attention to torque, A/F Ratio, Acceleration etc.
Wouldnt want this to end up like when Super street or one of those mags did a "test" about a year ago, and it had the Mugen only making about 1hp and then a DC making like 14hp or some BS, That whole "test" was BS as far as Im concerned But still people who were new would post " Hey I read this magazine and it say that mugen only added 1 hp
Note to everyone - Make sure to look at the Big Picture
I am totally agreed Mike
Wouldnt want this to end up like when Super street or one of those mags did a "test" about a year ago, and it had the Mugen only making about 1hp and then a DC making like 14hp or some BS, That whole "test" was BS as far as Im concerned But still people who were new would post " Hey I read this magazine and it say that mugen only added 1 hp
Note to everyone - Make sure to look at the Big Picture
I am totally agreed Mike
while some other header would blow it away performance wise due to a much fatter curve. Regardless, hopefully with a good write-up and overlaying dyno's some of "those" people will learn something.....maybe not.
Lastly, yes, this test will make a few pockets fatter and a few lighter because it will be all over the net.
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Im guessing the results of this test will have NO effect to any companies revenues.
We already have a pretty good general idea of what headers perform well and the ones that do not. This will just help the picky people narrow it down. The only way this would have a big impact, would be if one header totally dominated every other one by a wide margin.
BTW, I cant wait to see the results!! This should prove once and for all that 2.5" collectors rule.
We already have a pretty good general idea of what headers perform well and the ones that do not. This will just help the picky people narrow it down. The only way this would have a big impact, would be if one header totally dominated every other one by a wide margin.
BTW, I cant wait to see the results!! This should prove once and for all that 2.5" collectors rule.
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