For those who don't read the Road Race/Autox forum, results are up from the 2004 SCCA National Championship for DS:
http://ww2.scca.com/soloresults.php?ID=29

Type Rs took first, and 5 of the 11 trophy spots. Nice

 

Yeah but what about STX?

Stephen <- who thinks maybe he should return to "stock"....

 

Although it's nice to announce a Type-R did the job, ya gotta give major credit to the drivers, Brian Fitzpatrick and his wife? Kathy Fitzpatrick for driving the wins in D stock and D stock ladies.

Also, With much respect I unfortunately don't know the other top 4 position holders for D stock with exception of Mark Daddio "Mr. Mazda Rev-it-up" in the Grassroot's Motorsports SRT4, and beating him is No small feat.

Major congratulations to all the winners and trophy holders at Nationals.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JETYDOSA &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah but what about STX?

Stephen &lt;- who thinks maybe he should return to "stock"....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, it doesn't look much like the DS vs STX mix we get in ATL. Notice there's not a single WRX in DS, they've all gone to STX...

 

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Stephen &lt;- who thinks maybe he should return to "stock"....</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://ww2.scca.com/soloresults.php?ID=43

1 ITR in the trophies..., very last trophy spot too.

 

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Stephen &lt;- who thinks maybe he should return to "stock"....</TD></TR></TABLE>

No way! Get a new final drive and come get schooled...er...I mean, come run in SM with me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Although it's nice to announce a Type-R did the job, ya gotta give major credit to the drivers, Brian Fitzpatrick and his wife? Kathy Fitzpatrick for driving the wins in D stock and D stock ladies.

Also, With much respect I unfortunately don't know the other top 4 position holders for D stock with exception of Mark Daddio "Mr. Mazda Rev-it-up" in the Grassroot's Motorsports SRT4, and beating him is No small feat.

Major congratulations to all the winners and trophy holders at Nationals. </TD></TR></TABLE>

By all means, congratulations to the drivers
I just find it encouraging to see that, if I could ever learn to drive mine, the car is still trophy-capable.

 

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By all means, congratulations to the drivers
I just find it encouraging to see that, if I could ever learn to drive mine, the car is still trophy-capable.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Oh, absolutely I totally agree. Didn't mean to imply anything.

 

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And by the same token, very discouraging for me in STX!

 

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And by the same token, very discouraging for me in STX! </TD></TR></TABLE>

Fugg off, try me in Street Mod. Now that's depressing.

And one of the reasons I decided to do more Track events this year and leave Autocross as more of a test and tune and keep up my skills practice.

 

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Come back to the stock-side...
David has started grabbing some DS event trophies in his stock R on Azenis.

Ben - who was loathe to admit that

 

i got the impression at the beginning of the year that the kumho MX was the new tire to dominate STX. doesn't look that way to me:

kumho = 4
bfgoodrich = 1
falken = 47

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lanceh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got the impression at the beginning of the year that the kumho MX was the new tire to dominate STX. doesn't look that way to me:

kumho = 4
bfgoodrich = 1
falken = 47</TD></TR></TABLE>

Think it has anything to do with the surface at nationals?
In stock, I've always heard Kumho is competitive with Hoosier on asphalt, but that the concrete at nationals favors Hoosiers in a big way...

 

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Think it has anything to do with the surface at nationals?
In stock, I've always heard Kumho is competitive with Hoosier on asphalt, but that the concrete at nationals favors Hoosiers in a big way...</TD></TR></TABLE>

huh?

i'm talking about STX. kumho ecsta MX vs. falken azeins

 

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And by the same token, very discouraging for me in STX! </TD></TR></TABLE>


IMHO i think type R's are more than capable to Win STX under the right hands.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lanceh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">huh?

i'm talking about STX. kumho ecsta MX vs. falken azeins</TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry, that's what I was axing:
Do you think the concrete favors Falkens in STX the way it favors Hoosiers in DS?

 

imo, no. i've driven on both azeins and MX's and feel there is no comparison in grip between the two.

 

Woot!! Congrats to Omaha Local Brian Fitzpatrick and Wifey

 

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Trophy in STX? Sure. Win STX? Not likely. ITR's are at a huge power disadvantage to the WRX's. Add to that the fact that you can get a 245 tire on all four corners of a WRX. I'm not sure you can even fit a 245 on the front of an integra. At some point I'm going to try, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

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IMHO i think type R's are more than capable to Win STX under the right hands. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Todd Meade is more than capable driver, not sure what happened to him this event though, he was down on the sheets pretty far.

 

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second that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lanceh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i got the impression at the beginning of the year that the kumho MX was the new tire to dominate STX. doesn't look that way to me:

kumho = 4
bfgoodrich = 1
falken = 47</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think more drivers where using the Kumhos than are listed on the results. Ryan12321 was telling me that Mike King was using MX's but he is listed as Falkens on the results.

Also I believe Hoppe was using the Falken 451 shaved, not Azenis (very intresting development...)

In my experience, the MX gives better grip in hot weather on asphalt. I plan on getting some more Azenis for the cooler events this year (Oct-Nov-Dec) and using my MXes for summer.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lanceh &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">imo, no. i've driven on both azeins and MX's and feel there is no comparison in grip between the two.</TD></TR></TABLE>

And which do you consider to have better grip?


Modified by Mugen Mike at 3:43 PM 9/16/2004

 

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Trophy in STX? Sure. Win STX? Not likely. ITR's are at a huge power disadvantage to the WRX's. Add to that the fact that you can get a 245 tire on all four corners of a WRX. I'm not sure you can even fit a 245 on the front of an integra. At some point I'm going to try, but I'm not holding my breath.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is true, but the potential is there and again anything can happen with the right driver. Ive seen some really good drivers turn the "Not good enough and underprepared cars" into monsters.

 

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And which do consider to have better grip?</TD></TR></TABLE>

hands down the falken's. the sidewalls are significanly siffer and have much less tread squirm do to the larger tread blocks.