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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 09:48 PM
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Default ITR 1997 #122: Mugen Wing Installation ((56K take a hike))

What up everyone. Here's the write and evaluation on my Mugen wing. As far as installing goes, if you have the holes already in the car, they will line up with the Mugen holes and the installation is pretty easy.

Tools Needed:
1) Socket Wrench
2) Socket Extension
3) Socket - 12mm
4) Allen Wrench - Comes with wing.
5) Hardware is included with wing.

Step One: Unwrap the wing and parts and get your parts and tools in order. Pop the trunk latch so you can get underneeth the lid holes for the installation.

Step Two: Pick a side and install the wing pillar then repeat on the other side. Make sure you do not tighten down the bolts until the wing has been installed.



Step Three: Once you have the pillars threaded in but not tightened down, install the center wing. Start by threading one bolt for each side to hold it in place, then thread in the rest of the allen screws. Tighten both sides down.

After you have done this, lift up the rear hatch and tighten down the bolts securing the pillars. Close the trunk lid, and admire your handy work. Watch red necks snicker at you. Watch high school kids in Honda Civics mad dog you.




Driving Impression: I've owned four 94-01 Integras currently. Three being GS-R's. Two of those GS-R's had factory spoilers, and the GS-R I have sitting next to my Type R doesn't have a spoiler.

It could be because of the factory suspension on the GS-R, but at speed (100+mph) the car doesn't feel as stable. The factory spoiler seems to have minimal effect on the car and the rear end seems to float. On my GS-R with no spoiler, I don't even take it that fast because it's all over the place.

Unfortunately, I didn't have a factory spoiler on my Type R to compare to so hopefully one of you have owned both of these spoilers, the factory and the Mugen.

When driving back from Georgia through the desert and out in the middle of no-where, I had many golden oportunities to reach speed. I took the car past the 120mph zone on several occasions. I feel because of the long pillar surface and it's design relative to the rear fenders makes for great side to side stability, as air is passing over the surface area at a great amount of speed. This in turn will create more pressure which creates more stability...so on, so on.

The wing it's self has a wonderful curve to it, resembling an upside down airplane wing rather than a simple radius like cheap aftermarket units. Because of this unique shape of the Mugen wing, I feel it gives optimum aerodynamic pressure relative to it's surface area, which makes the car feel like it's *** isn't going to lift up and wander out on you. High speed straights felt very well, and the rear end was also stable at speed around corners.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 09:56 PM
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very nice!
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 09:58 PM
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Nice write up

The wing looks good on your car and i'm happy to hear that it performs as advertised. One thing though, is the wing unpainted? Or is the color off a little..?
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 10:06 PM
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The wing was bought used. In person it appears that it matches pretty close. I'll have to take a closer look with the car washed.
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 10:10 PM
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Yeah it could just be the digital picture. Nice purchase regardless
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Old Sep 11, 2004 | 11:27 PM
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Nice write up IMO Ugly wing but its yours.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 12:16 AM
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bump for jdm, bump for mugen, bump for crazy jdm style ****, bump for crazy looking function ****, bump for R and bump for a great guy

i want a 2dr just so i can have one of those wings, hopefulley somebody can test out having a itr spoiler and a mugen to see if there is or how much difference there is
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 12:49 AM
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that wing is the ugliest thing ive ever seen.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 12:50 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by gsrmattski &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that wing is the ugliest thing ive ever seen. </TD></TR></TABLE>
thanks for your input gay
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 01:09 AM
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true, it is a VERY ugly wing....but Mugen designed that sucker in a wind tunnel, and it's very functional. Practical for a street car?? Maybe not, but to each his own
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 01:17 AM
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what i'm surprised is that this FAKE mugen wing performs well........ well according to the driver..... but could be all in his head.

(PS: i hope you know that you bought a FAKE mugen wing) ... would hate to see you pay 600-700us for a FAKE mugen wing
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 01:18 AM
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hmmm

good job i say

but i dont like that wing. it didn t fit to the rest form of the car. one of the few mugen parts i wont buy....

but everyones other .....
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 01:21 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by N1-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what i'm surprised is that this FAKE mugen wing performs well........ well according to the driver..... but could be all in his head.

(PS: i hope you know that you bought a FAKE mugen wing) ... would hate to see you pay 600-700us for a FAKE mugen wing</TD></TR></TABLE>

how do you know it's fake

&lt;----- not one who knows a real Mugen wing from a fake
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 01:55 AM
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the aluminum deck tells the story in this case.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 02:23 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by N1-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what i'm surprised is that this FAKE mugen wing performs well........ well according to the driver..... but could be all in his head.

(PS: i hope you know that you bought a FAKE mugen wing) ... would hate to see you pay 600-700us for a FAKE mugen wing</TD></TR></TABLE>brando-i think you might want to call the original owner of this wing and ask them to authenticate it. i've spent countless hours, (and i really do honestly pay attention to details and study everything cause i'm so ****), observing the genuine article thru pictures and mugen's brochures. for a wing this expensive, you want the genuine article. when i first saw pics of your wing, i already started asking myself if there was anything odd or different. but since the pics i saw were a little small, i figured i'd wait and see later.

however, i had my suspicions when i looked closely at the base ends of the aluminum middle piece where they attach to the two base pillars. now that other members are bringing the same thing up, i think you had better get ready to find out for sure from whom you bought it.

looking from the bottom up from behind an authentic mugen wing, you will notice that the rear base of the aluminum plane will be a fluid curvature following the sloping "shape" of the wing. the aluminum base has smooth streamlined curve, hiding the screws that attach it to the hard plastic bases. however, from the way it looks in your pics, the bases of the aluminum part look squarish, and does not follow the "sloping- up" curve of the wing. plus you can see the screw that attaches it to the base pillars. i've seen copies, and they are fantastic reproductions that will not even be noticed by anyone unless they are mugen fanatics....sadly i am one.

anyway, i hope i'm wrong, and you can resolve this question. if it was sold to you under false pretenses, the seller had no respect for asking a price reserved for the real thing, knowing it was a forgery did it come from a fellow H-T member????
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 02:42 AM
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heres a pic i found of big phat's R...its beautiful. hope he doesnt mind me using it as an example. his wing is the genuine gem.

look closely at the base of the aluminum middle section and how it is shaped and attaches to the pillars...then look at how yours attaches. see the difference?

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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 04:56 AM
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 06:48 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lucky-R &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">look closely at the base of the aluminum middle section and how it is shaped and attaches to the pillars...then look at how yours attaches. see the difference?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The angles of the photos are different. Can you really tell?

What I <u>can</u> tell is that the white wing is stamped Mugen. Don't you think a copier would be afraid to actually put the Mugen name on his copy?
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 07:29 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Don't you think a copier would be afraid to actually put the Mugen name on his copy?</TD></TR></TABLE>

The fake ones have the logo as well.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 07:35 AM
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I never knew that. That takes some nerve.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 07:35 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Emerika &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">true, it is a VERY ugly wing....but Mugen designed that sucker in a wind tunnel, and it's very functional. Practical for a street car?? Maybe not, but to each his own </TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree that the design in principle should work. However, we're still looking for the aerodynamic data to see how well it works. King Motorsports does not have any.

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=973664
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 10:02 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Emerika &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

how do you know it's fake

&lt;----- not one who knows a real Mugen wing from a fake </TD></TR></TABLE>

trust me, i know.... i had a genuine real deal mugen wing before and I can spot fake ones from miles away.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

The angles of the photos are different. Can you really tell?

</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes we can, fortunately Lucky-R and I are the real mugen wing freaks that can spot the differences even though the pictures are angled.


Lucky-R knows his stuff

Sorry Haleiwa-Brando but looks like your wing is a fake but hopefully you only paid a small fee for it.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 10:10 AM
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Wow waking up this morning and reading this is starting to scare the **** out of me. Last thing I want is to waste good money on a knock off. Fortunately, the guy I bought it from is a member here and on ITRCA.com. For these purposes only, I'll release his first name and last initial.

Fortunately, I archived all the conversations with him and at no time did I feel that he was giving me the one-up. Included are a couple more pictures of the wing followed by one with it installed on his Type R. Hopefully this will help.

Due to the list of modifications done to his car, I don't think he'd try and sell me fake ****. I believe he said he was the purchaser of the spoiler when it was new. I'll list the mods of his car, which he emailed to me so it can help you recognize it.

His screen name on Honda-tech or ITRCA.com, I do not remember. He lives in Rancho Cordova, CA

Name: Erik E.




Despite the fact that it wasn't the way Lucky-R described it, I still think it's authentic. Does anyone out there know if Mugen had done any minimal physical changes to the wing over it's production? Perhaps this is one of the first, Mugen thought it looked like **** and decided to tuck the aluminum flange up to the wing a little bit more. Because if you look at how far away that allen screw is from the wing...this allows me to get some killer wing angle to create good down force.

Here is a picture of the dudes car followd by a modification list:

-JDM ITR HID Conversion
-JDM ITR 4.78 FD LSD tranny
-Exedy Stage 1 clutch
-Fidanza Light Weight almn flywheel
-Cusco MC brace
-5Zigen FN01R-C rims
-Ground control coilovers.
-Skunk2 adj camber kit.
-Nology hot wires.
-AEM Intake.
-CompTech Header.
-Greddy Cat back.
-Mugen shift ****
-Mugen front & rear Struts.
-Spoon lower tie bar
-Mugen ADJ wing.
-J's Racing C-Pillar

He had future plans to do these mods:
-CF hatch lid
-CF hood
-CF spoon mirrors
-CF deck lid & pillars
-Endless brake system
-JDM TopFuel intake
-Clarion touch screen DVD/CD player
-Honda option side skirts and rear valences


Hope this post clears the air. I would like to know if I got fucked but I still feel I didn't just because of the car it came off of and the fact that the guy has been on ITRCA for a long *** time.
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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 10:34 AM
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Sorry for the big pics - 56K sucka da nutz

I think you just installed it incorrectly. You should put the wing together as a whole before installing it on the car. On my wing (bought from King Motorsports for too much $$$) - the aluminum plates are screwed into the wing portion FIRST - then onto the side supports.

Also - The Mugen Logo should be more clearly defined - unless they painted those end caps a couple of times. My wing has a primer coat AND paint.

The mounting plate should be parallel to the top edge of the wing support.

I ran down to my garage and took a couple of hand-held pics in low lighting - so please excuse the blurryness of the pics.






There should also be two metal clips that hold the front of the wing supports down:




And this is what it should look like on the car:




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Old Sep 12, 2004 | 10:39 AM
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i might have to pick one of these up b4 i paint next year.
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