I have a friend that has a buch of money in go fast parts here's some of the parts off the top of my head, it's a 99 b16b with rs mach. stage 3 vtec cams, skunk 2 cam gears, arp head bolts, anr header, thermal catback, p28 program, adj fuel presure reg. and i sure alot of other stuff he's only dyno'ed 158 hp.[ i feel kind of sorry for him]. he's tried to tune i think but i'm wondering is there something else besides more tuning that needs to be done? any comments are appr.

 

is his compression high enough to warrant stage 3 cams?

 

that is pretty sad
a stock b16b (civic type r makes more than 158)

i think he should put everything back to stock if its make it worst
and just get hondata and tune it

 

It is probably in need of a good tuner.

 

ask ur boy what injectors is he running he may have put in a huge one and is runing too rich to make power

 

yeah, theres definately something tuned incorrectly, but i also have to wonder, why stage THREE?

kinda foolish to spend so much money on a CTR engine if you are gonna mess with half of the **** in it anyways. just my 2cents..

 

i think the injectors are stock, as far as compression, factory ctr stuff

i think he could only pull a 9.8 in the 1/8 mile and after the other stuff still a 9.8
thanks for your replies too

 

ask him and make sure hes on stock injectors and stock fuel pressure

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by siblueg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i think the injectors are stock, as far as compression, factory ctr stuff

i think he could only pull a 9.8 in the 1/8 mile and after the other stuff still a 9.8
thanks for your replies too</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

first who did the install?
second which program of P28 chip is he running?
who installed the cams?
which cams?
wondering if his valve springs are binded?

blah blah

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Cnote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">first who did the install?
second which program of P28 chip is he running?
who installed the cams?
which cams?
wondering if his valve springs are binded?

blah blah</TD></TR></TABLE>
he did it himself
it's something like a vtec at 6000 and rev at 9500
he did it himself
rs machine stage 3
don't think so

 

does anybody have any more replies

 

just wondering,what kind of valve train is he runnin with those big cams?

 

i believe the rs mach. spring and retaners

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by siblueg &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> I have a friend that has a buch of money in go fast parts here's some of the parts off the top of my head, it's a 99 b16b with rs mach. stage 3 vtec cams, skunk 2 cam gears, arp head bolts, anr header, thermal catback, p28 program, adj fuel presure reg. and i sure alot of other stuff he's only dyno'ed 158 hp.[ i feel kind of sorry for him]. he's tried to tune i think but i'm wondering is there something else besides more tuning that needs to be done? any comments are appr.</TD></TR></TABLE>
I call BS on this. YOU know why his motor is only putting out 158hp is because Its probable fucked up. Now dont post up BS trying to make the b16b look bad and stop posting up your boys setup unless he asked you too.

 

He's over caming

 

he is under tuning.

get that poor engine on a dyno with some kind of fuel adjusting device (VAFC) immediatley. a "chipped ecu" is way too ******* generic for a large cam setup like that.

 

he obviously needs a tune.. you cant run a setup like that without exstensive tuning..

 

what compression would warrant stage 3 cams?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96_teck &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">what compression would warrant stage 3 cams? </TD></TR></TABLE>
compression has almost no effect on anything to do with cam selection

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
compression has almost no effect on anything to do with cam selection</TD></TR></TABLE>

really? doesn't the dynamic compresion go down because of the extra overlap of big cams which you counter with higher static compression? So some really agressive NA cams will make more power then stock or stg1 cams even with like 9.0:1 compression? forgive my ignorance but I have read the exact opposite of what you stated.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bailhatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">really? doesn't the dynamic compresion go down because of the extra overlap of big cams which you counter with higher static compression? So some really agressive NA cams will make more power then stock or stg1 cams even with like 9.0:1 compression? forgive my ignorance but I have read the exact opposite of what you stated.</TD></TR></TABLE>
yes dynamic compression does change with overlap BUT static dosent. and im pretty sure the newbie asking dosent even know the difference let alone know how to choose the proper cams for a setup.

and a really agressive cam may not make you any power over a "stage 1" cam setup (wich i also find bullshit, stage 1 means nothing. give me lift, duration, centerlines, and overlap), you may loose power because the head can only flow so much air. ever used a flowbench? when you are trying to choose a cam/s you flow the head at specific valve lift points, at a certain point you reach max flow, if you go above max flow you loose flow because there is too much volume, not enough velocity. so when you flow the intake and exhaust ports you get an exact lift where you KNOW your engine will make the most power. from those flowbench numbers you can even estimate total engine horsepower potential within a couple actual hp. before ever building any engine you should flow your head(s) and build from around those numbers. flowbenches rule.

so in short static compression shouldnt play much of a role in cam selection, it should all be based on headflow numbers.

i hope that all made sense, its extremley hard to explain in 1 paragraph. i have pages of **** on this in my notbooks.


Modified by Kamin at 6:18 PM 9/26/2004


Modified by Kamin at 6:22 PM 9/26/2004

 

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I call BS on this. YOU know why his motor is only putting out 158hp is because Its probable fucked up. Now dont post up BS trying to make the b16b look bad and stop posting up your boys setup unless he asked you too. </TD></TR></TABLE>


wtf are you talking about i don't care what engine it is, i'm just trying to help a friend make his car faster and run right so you stop posting ***!

and every body thanks for all the replie's

 

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wtf are you talking about i don't care what engine it is, i'm just trying to help a friend make his car faster and run right so you stop posting ***!

and every body thanks for all the replie's</TD></TR></TABLE>\
With all those parts he should be doing better so do a compression check. Oh and call me a *** again and we can have an old fashion snap session.

 

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With all those parts he should be doing better so do a compression check. Oh and call me a *** again and we can have an old fashion snap session. </TD></TR></TABLE>
ok internet gansta