I am trying to decide rather to go turbo or all motor...i like turbo just because its a turboed car...but if i can get the same hp for less money then why not do that...so im wondering how reasonable or realistic is it to get 300+ hp out of an all motor b18??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by red95integ &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...so im wondering how reasonable or realistic is it to get 300+ hp out of an all motor b18??</TD></TR></TABLE>

hahahahaha

Its probably possible, but its going to cost so much more than a turbo it won't even be funny.

 

you will spend a hell of alot more money doing a 300 hp all motor then going turbo. Not to mention I would think that 300 n/a horsepower would suck to drive on the street

 

300 hp N/a?? a few words ITB's fully built motor and tuning up the ***...then just maybe you'll get 300 hp N/A.
n all that **** above probably cost about the same as 3 or 4 turbo kits

 

turbo the cheapest way to get 300+whp.

 

I would definatley choose 300whp NA over the turbo 300whp .... well depends where I were at can't beat all motor powa and the power band, but turbo is definatly fun to drive. If you want to save money and still reach that 300whp mark then FI is def the way to go

 

If you have a tree in your backyard that grows money. Then go for it

 

yea thats what im starting to figure out....buddy of mine said that with forged internals and good turbo i can easly get 300+hp...app all the help...

for the record does anyone have a 300 hp(or close) all motor car.... if so let me know

thanks for the help

 

Don't think I've ever heard of a B series getting over 300 NA. If so, it would require some -serious- work to it. Way way way more money than a FI setup would cost you.

 

252whp all motor H22a1.
Going for 300 hp N/A is going to cost you big time.
But a good start would be a good block bore/crank size, a larger displacement will ALWAYS help.

 

I don't even know what has to be done to make a B-series 300whp. A turbo would be quite easy, but all motor?

It seriously boggles my mind, and I know quite a bit about this.

 

would you have to bore it to like a 2.0 or 2.2??

 

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Wouldn't matter. You'd have to bore it out to like 3.5 to be close.

Haha, seriously. I pretty much think it's physically impossible for a B-series to be 300whp all motor.

 

Im sure 15:1, and HUGE cams (550 lift would most likely achive this. Must run on race fuel and im sure the drag B blocks in the low 10's make about 325and upWHP.

 

300+ NA hatchie. ive seen it in person. looks nuts. and mind you, its a B series motor BUT, SERIOUS amounts of time and money was dedicated to this motor set up. turbo is more money efficient

 

300whp n/a wont be streetable

 

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What the **** are you talking about. The powerband on a 300 WHP naturally aspirated honda would suck, and suck large. It will require race gas, MASSIVE cams, LOTS of compression, **** you would probably need methanol to do 300 WHP out of a B-series naturally aspirated.

300 WHP with a turbo is easily doable with a small turbo on pump gas, giving you a nice broad power curve. I don't know why you think a naturally aspirated motor magically has a nice power curve because it isn't a turbocharged motor, because it won't.

 

Most All motor cars fully built and tuned are making approx 250whp or less
Im sure its possible to make 300 whp N/A but its much easier to do it with a turbo but I would still choose a 225whp N/A car over a 350whp F/I car anyday

 

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Im sure its possible to make 300 whp N/A but its much easier to do it with a turbo but I would still choose a 225whp N/A car over a 350whp F/I car anyday</TD></TR></TABLE>

Why, so you can tell people you have a maddd 225 WHP all motor, and get smoted by the much faster, and much more fun to drive 350 WHP turbo car? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.

 

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Exactly. You could do it if you put in tons of money, i'm talking like 10 grand as a conservative guess. But it will not be streetable with the type of build you'd have to do.


Modified by BucsJosh at 9:09 PM 9/9/2004

 

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Why, so you can tell people you have a maddd 225 WHP all motor, and get smoted by the much faster, and much more fun to drive 350 WHP turbo car? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You're dumb...a 225WHP N/A car will be as fast as a 350WHP. Lets see an example. Take a Civic EH2 chassis (EG for all you JDM wannabes). With 225 N/A WHP, nitto 555R's a good LSD and SUS, the car is easily capable of high 12 sec 1/4 mile times (but who cares about wack *** drag racing). I mean ****...stock ITR hatches run 13.2-13.3 all day long with bolt ons. Now...compare that to a 350 WHP turbo honda (a waste of a good honda IMO). With a good (quaife) LSD and drag radials...it will STILL not get traction (happens all the time). The car will more than likely still run high 12's and maybe low 13's. If both cars have stock Honda LSD's then the turbo car will be left in the dust. AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENES IF YOU TAKE BOTH CARS ON A REAL TRACK( turns)???? We all know which car is superior...because a FWD turbo car cant turn if its wheels are spinning and the throttle response is far from linear like an N/A motor. Why should anyone take what you say seriously, you can't even spell SMOKED....unless smoted is a word??? Whether a car is more fun to drive is a matter of opinion...you act like its fact.

 

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Why, so you can tell people you have a maddd 225 WHP all motor, and get smoted by the much faster, and much more fun to drive 350 WHP turbo car? Whatever floats your boat, I guess.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Seen a 260whp all motor civic beat a 600+whp turbo civic....maybe ur thinking freeway race.

 

N/A is great to make a really fast street car since it gets traction. That's why 250whp Civics can beat 400whp civics on the STREET. Go on the track, and put slicks on both, the 400whp civic will win of couse.

 

Youre all gay it iant possible.

 

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You're dumb...a 225WHP N/A car will be as fast as a 350WHP. Lets see an example. Take a Civic EH2 chassis (EG for all you JDM wannabes). With 225 N/A WHP, nitto 555R's a good LSD and SUS, the car is easily capable of high 12 sec 1/4 mile times (but who cares about wack *** drag racing). I mean ****...stock ITR hatches run 13.2-13.3 all day long with bolt ons. Now...compare that to a 350 WHP turbo honda (a waste of a good honda IMO). With a good (quaife) LSD and drag radials...it will STILL not get traction (happens all the time). The car will more than likely still run high 12's and maybe low 13's. If both cars have stock Honda LSD's then the turbo car will be left in the dust. AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENES IF YOU TAKE BOTH CARS ON A REAL TRACK( turns)???? We all know which car is superior...because a FWD turbo car cant turn if its wheels are spinning and the throttle response is far from linear like an N/A motor. Why should anyone take what you say seriously, you can't even spell SMOKED....unless smoted is a word??? Whether a car is more fun to drive is a matter of opinion...you act like its fact.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Low 13's with 350 WHP? lol, you're saying the reason you think a 225 WHP civic would be faster is because you're going to blame it on the driver? If you can only pull off a low 13 in a 350 WHP turbo eg on drag radials you deserve to be shot, I pulled high 12's in a 375 WHP full weight SI hatch on 16" azenis, and I'm not a very good driver, and I didn't have a quaiffe either. On 15" BFG's I had to dial down the boost so I wouldn't break out of the 12's because I didn't have a roll bar. Never lost on the street to any naturally aspirated honda that wasn't a bike, the closest was a stripped CRX with a 210+ WHP H22A, both of us on drag radials I didn't have an LSD and *SHOCKINGLY* my crappy FWD turbo car didn't get left in the dust off the line. I did auto cross and open track my car, but was hampered more by my inexperience and lack of driver skill than I was hapered by lighting the tires up while I was turning. Go look at Austrian Type-R, he has a 300+ WHP turbo ITR that he open tracks all the time, and pulls off some sick lap times. But no, Turbo can't be fast, you don't have throttle response, you can't turn when your tires are spinning, a naturally aspirated car with 125 WHP less will be WAAAAAY faster on a road course because N/A is better.

Whatever, the only people I've seen that are hard core devoted to naturally aspirated hondas either have cars built for N/A only classes, or have not driven a fast turbo honda. If you can seriously say that N/A cars absolutely light your fire and you just love the sound, the feel, the whatever, that's great. But what you're saying about turbo cars not being able to turn and how they get such terrible traction off the line sounds more like honda-tech heresay than actual experience to me. And yes, smote is a real word.