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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 02:24 PM
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I'm borrowing this car from a friend. It appears to have frame damage from the caster issue, but I'm not really sure. The balljoint on the UCA seems to be flexing as if is was a camber issue. I put some pics below, but it's not as apparent in the pics. Anyway, I decided to be a stupid test pilot, and I took it up to 110 mph trying to find the shakes and shimeys. Never found them, actually went as straight as my Civic right after I got my alignment. I followed my friend while he drove it, and it seems to track perfectly straight. So my question is, is it obvious there's frame damage, or is maybe the fender just not aligned correctly?











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Old Sep 7, 2004 | 02:26 PM
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How does the LCA look?
Are the radius rods loose... or are they even there??
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 05:56 AM
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lower control arm. is it bent? i think i got the same prob with my car. wait...i know i have the same problem on my car. haha. ill fix it one day. but lately...eh. been broke.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:01 AM
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looks like a front end collision. pushing the suspension reward but keeping it pointing straight ahead
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:01 AM
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It's a snapped tie rod... DO NOT DRIVE THAT CAR! You are a ******* moron to even attempt it. You'll kill yourself, or someone else for sure.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:14 AM
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I looked under the car a while ago and didn't notice anything. I was thinking a slight bend somewhere. There's definitely nothing broken. I have been driving it about 2 months with no problems at all. Steering is precise when turning, tracks straight when I'm not.

I'll look more closely at the LCA this afternoon. In the meantime I'll just drive around like an f'ing moron and kill myself.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:28 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">In the meantime I'll just drive around like an f'ing moron and kill myself. </TD></TR></TABLE>

LMAO

be careful...
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:36 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by VashTheStampede &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's a snapped tie rod... DO NOT DRIVE THAT CAR! You are a ******* moron to even attempt it. You'll kill yourself, or someone else for sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I Think you got confused. Had he Broke a tierod the Wheel wouldn't even turn. He would have killed himself already.

I Have a Felling you bent the LCA, Or a Radius rod Is Broken
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by MENACE &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I Have a Felling you bent the LCA, Or a Radius rod Is Broken </TD></TR></TABLE>

Thats what I'm thinking now. I didn't notice it when I checked last time, but I also didn't look very close.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:40 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
In the meantime I'll just drive around like an f'ing moron and kill myself. </TD></TR></TABLE>

haha. if that should happen, can i have your typeS?
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:47 AM
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I've come to notice that you usually can't SEE a bend in things like the LCA, Knuckle etc.

You can obviously see one if it's insanely bent, but generally the bends aren't drastic to be visible.

Why not just pick up the entire passenger side suspension at a junkyard and replace all of it in one swoop just to be safe?
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:49 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I looked under the car a while ago and didn't notice anything. I was thinking a slight bend somewhere. There's definitely nothing broken. I have been driving it about 2 months with no problems at all. Steering is precise when turning, tracks straight when I'm not.

I'll look more closely at the LCA this afternoon. In the meantime I'll just drive around like an f'ing moron and kill myself. </TD></TR></TABLE>


I'm not worried about you killing yourself, but if I'm right, and it is some major suspension damage, then you will get hurt.


I know what I'm talking about:


This is a snapped Tie Rod:



It was the casue of this:


And guess what? My Tire looked just like yours before the wreck.

Your disregard for safety and lives should get you a ticket relatively soon, and maybe you'll get lucky like me, and walk away with a scratch, but I was going 40, not an assinine 112.

Maybe you'll get what you deserve.

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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 06:56 AM
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bring it to a frame shop and have them take a look at it
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 07:00 AM
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It's possible the tie rod is on the verge of a bigger problem, but right now that doesn't look like the issue. I'm not saying your wrong, and I appreciate the input. I just didn't see the nessisity in the name calling. Thats something i'll be checking out when I look at the lower suspension.

Edit: And I (obviously) only did the 110 when I was by myself and no one else was on the road. And I didn't do it all at once, I slowly brought myself up to speed to check for any abnormality at any speed.

If I die driving it, I won't be too worried about the issue anyway and ya, if I die, any of your are welcome to pick up the payments on the rsx
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 07:03 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jolt-tsp &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's possible the tie rod is on the verge of a bigger problem, but right now that doesn't look like the issue. I'm not saying your wrong, and I appreciate the input. I just didn't see the nessisity in the name calling. Thats something i'll be checking out when I look at the lower suspension.</TD></TR></TABLE>

There's a lot of anger there simply because I totalled my baby, and also because it's obviously not bright to test a car at 112 with that problem. If someone would have told me, I wouldn't have cared, but if you get scared enough to get it looked at, then you could be saving yourself from a catastrophe. All I'm saying is; this is dangerous.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 07:07 AM
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It's cool, not hard feelings, and thanks for looking out
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 07:27 AM
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A Tierod will not Cause Caster like that. It is very possible you had some other problem. Ive done alot of car alignments Tierods Do Not Cuase caster problems. something else is the problem
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 07:46 AM
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Well, if vash's looked the same I don't want to take any chances. I'll check the tie rods tonight as it should be pretty obvious. If thats not it, we're going to swap the suspension components one at a time with a DX my friend and see what changes it. I'll let you all know what I find.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:11 AM
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my car looks like that.....i curbed the right front end, but the whole suspension was changed. and it still looks like that. i have no clue.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:12 AM
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theres no unever wear on the tires other then a tiny camber...tie rod was bent, but was replaced, as was the front cross member and i dont know what it is....like someone said maybe a control arm?
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:15 AM
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No doubt, check it all out everyone has a very good idea. And i Complety Agree With Vash that you shouldn't be driving it. A half broken tierod is just as important as any other Part under there. Im just saying that a tierod Wont cause cater like that. Not saying You dont have a broken Tierod. Just that they dont cause a problem like that. Like i said Everyone is right, Because EVERYTHING should be Checked.
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:20 AM
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tie rod was replaced though, and cross member...


Modified by ceLtic at 12:37 PM 9/8/2004
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:21 AM
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i have done this before trust me...it is your radius rod and you LCA
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:23 AM
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can you point out to me the radius rod/lca?

isnt the radius rod also called the tie rod?
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Old Sep 8, 2004 | 08:29 AM
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When I bought my CRX it was like that too. The steering x-member was fubared. It was bent right where the LCA mounts up. I can almost bet that is the problem.
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