Hey fellow luders I just got my car out of the shop from Phoenix, Az. The dealer is Power Xtreme. I bought and he install Venom intake manifold, after market throttle body, he ported my head, JDM tranny w/LSD so he says, and a OBD II conversion to an OBD I (P-28 computer). My car already had Shunk 2 stage 2 camshaft, skunk2 cam gears, shunk 2 titanuim valve springs and retainers, Manley Valves, greddy exhaust, AEM CAI, AEM pulleys (no crank pulley), DC headers, AEM fuel rail, AEM fuel regulator, and NGK wires and spark plug. Last a 75 shot from NX. Before I went to Power X my car was only dynoing 167hp. Meaning out of tune. After he touched it dropped close to ten horses. He had the nerve to tell me it was because of the Temperture. Oh with nitrous it went up to 208 hp. What do you think and how much horses should I have...........Need help!!!!!

 

take away that turbo IM and put either a skunk2 or euro-r IM on it. And I hope that P28 has a Hondata with it. Bad Header with all the work you've done also.

 

That is a turbo intake mani(so that doesn't help), but you should have more hp than that even so....

Don't go back there.

 

I realize the IM and the Skunk 2 is on order. That Venom has gave me nothing but problems since it's been installed. I think the P-28 is chipped with hondata program but how can you tell. I still think my car should still be in the 200hp range with all the sh-t I got in it.

 

i actually would recommend that everyone stay away from venom. from what i know they make poor quality parts and pass them off as high performance.

 

Get rid of the DC header (notice no s) as well.

 

get hondata a better header u d be better off with ur stock intake manifold ported. Those are terrible numbers for all of your mods get it check out

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PRAYLEWD &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i actually would recommend that everyone stay away from venom. from what i know they make poor quality parts and pass them off as high performance.</TD></TR></TABLE>

With some of their products that is absolutely true but thier IM is actually
a pretty good design, a lot like the STR one, but it benefits this guy none
because he's not making near enough power.

edulerp01, It sounds like you have spent a lot of money on your car w/o
knowing how to get the most power out of it.

Your just gonna get hustled that way, you need to study up on what products
you will actually benefit from, then you need to find someone you can trust
to do the work for you. The more you know, the less they're gonna be able
to bullshit you. That's why I'm doing all the work on my car myself.
I don't trust the faulkerz around here. I have tested them, and none of them
have truely earned my trust enough to hand my car over to them,
minus one guy but he doesn't have the time

A couple of years ago, I didn't really know **** about ludes and I spent some
money that definately would have benefited me more other places.

sorry for ranting

 

Quit buying crap and fix what you have! You don't seem (correct me if I'm wrong) to understand exactly what you're doing and are just throwing parts at your car. #1 Skunk2 stage 2 cams suck for 10:1 compression. #2 Figure out what ECU you have and what program is on it! A bad program will kill everything! #3 Do you even know exactly what your head porter did? Is he reputable? A bad port job will kill power. #4 What's your FPR set at? #5 Have you done a compression test? #6 Throw the OEM IM and TB back on the car. The Venom is a FI manifold ONLY!

There's plenty of junk that you need to take care of before you continue to buy junk for the car that will work just as bad as you have right now..

 

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so i'm guessing it wasn't SAE corrected?

 

Hmm i would think you should have 208 hp without the nitrous maybe more.

 

i think you need to run a leak down...with the skunk mani im sure that will be sufficient, lose the nitrous, learn how to use it first off before you pop the motor. you should be near if not over 200whp, so just chek out the leak down, and if it comes back 100% A-OK, then like someone said, that port job just bit u in the @$$...and if you have a p-28 get a hondata http://www.hondata.com get your hands on the s200 and then you can adjust your problems on the dyno...

 

OBD2 = the suck. However, I am not a fan of that manifold. IMO, power should slightly be higher, but temp CAN affect you dyno figures. Open your DC header up to 2.5" and that will help, put the stock manifold back on or get a Skunk2 (this manifold will work well with your p28 ecu) The portwork is the next thing... if the head was "hogged out", then a power loss can be right there. Normally the H22 head needs very little work to flow well, but if you go to far losses will occure. Also, if you are using stock cams with a ported head, depending on how much material was removed from the head can also be counter productive. I saw you had skunk2 cams, IMO you should have been making more power right off the bat. I can't say that shop is respectable, since my former mechanic went to work for them and they jacked his tools from him. I would question their business practices.


Modified by 2point6 at 6:36 PM 9/4/2004

 

SO a p-28 is a good computer for my car. I will look into the s200. Thanks.

 

How much HP are you putting out. How does the s200 hondata? Do yopu like it? Was it worth the money...

 

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I also run a p28 and s200.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 2point6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OBD2 = the suck. However, I am not a fan of that manifold. IMO, power should slightly be higher, but temp CAN affect you dyno figures. Open your DC header up to 2.5" and that will help, put the stock manifold back on or get a Skunk2 (this manifold will work well with your p28 ecu) The portwork is the next thing... if the head was "hogged out", then a power loss can be right there. Normally the H22 head needs very little work to flow well, but if you go to far losses will occure. Also, if you are using stock cams with a ported head, depending on how much material was removed from the head can also be counter productive. I saw you had skunk2 cams, IMO you should have been making more power right off the bat. I can say that shop is respectable, since my former mechanic went to work for them and they jacked his tools from him. I would question their business practices.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well I guess you said everything I was going to..

 

If my head is over ported will it be lost of power too. I was told that one of the two either intake or exhaust you are not suppose to port at all because for mixture of air. Is that sure.

 

How can you have a JDM H22 LSD tranny if you have a Type SH block?? Did you do custom mods to the block?? Just curious.

 

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I also run a p28 and s200. </TD></TR></TABLE>

id say run the s100 to save you money. you could get it for kess then $200

 

From what I saw he shaved my block to make it fit. I was pissed when he did that....

 

it just doesn't fit like that...

 

My question to all of you why should I get rid of my nitrous. I only bought it to make up for the weight my prelude has. I thought a little nitrous would be good. What's the reason why I shouldn't have it.

 

You have all stock internals? Do you know how to handle and keep your motor up to spec with the addition of nitrous induction? If you're "iffy" on this, then you should get rid of the nitrous, or start saving money for the onslaught of repairs.

 

i have heard bad things about skunk cam/ valve train products --- the obd2, and sh system = reduction in whp.... try a jdm ecu or a obd1 work around ---