I was looking through ebay and found this chip. Does anyone know if this thing works? and is worth buying? anyone had any experience with them?

 

I personally have no experience with them and have no intentions
to in the future. There are very few people that have seen any
noticible gains with them. In other words, don't waste your money





Modified by SKDRCR at 3:08 AM 12/10/2004

 

if it is a real spoon program or a good copy of it is is good for use on jdm p13 ecus to remove the speed limiter and increase the rev limiter some.

 

There was a local guy I used to run with all the time. from 40mph to 130 mph we'd be door to door, like EXACTLY the same... in car footage would make us looked like we were parked next to eachother with the scenery going by on a screen in the back ground, like a saturday night live skit We'd do this week after week, with the same result.

anyway, he got what was supposedly a spoon chip in his P13. From that point on, he consistantly put 2 car lengths on me.

I am guessing a lot of the 'spoon' chips on EBAY are not real.

 

I have a REAL Spoon P13, and yes, it is worth a few whp. How much? 1-3whp consistently across the board. Does it run way lean? No, AF did not change at all from a stock P13. Rev limit is 8500 I believe and I hope I never ever come close to that! VTEC is 5000.

 

if its from eBay its probally fake

I was hangin with boosted_hybrid at his shop and we did some baseline dyno runs on some civic hb's w/ JDM H22's
one of them swapped out the stock ECU for a "Spoon Chipped ECU"
did it work?
NO
he actually lost a bit of power
we opened up the ECU and the Spoon sticker on the chip wasnt even the real Spoon sticker lol
the owner didnt care cuz the second "Spoon" chipped ECU came with the car

so unless you get it from Spoon or a authorized Spoon dealer...its not real....and eBay...haha...dont always believe what you read on there

 

Well I am going from what the dyno told me as far as the statements in my post go.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4bidden &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Well I am going from what the dyno told me as far as the statements in my post go.</TD></TR></TABLE>

my post wasnt directed to you

 

Supposing they could get their hands on a Spoon P13, copying it would be quite easy. As far as it being a fake, I have NO idea as to what they would do. The guys at ECImulti and PGMFI have been fervently been trying to crack the p13/p14 code, but it is a huge departure from the P28, p06, and p72 ECUs that we are used to (the map values are expressed in an equation, not a solid integer). People have found the rev limiter though, but that is the only real results i've seen. If it is a fake, they must have just randomly changed values in the EPROM, which is terrifying to say the least...

 

Arizona Race and Machine has a copy of my Spoon program. However, if you have a 4W on the side of your ECU, forget about it. Whatever Spoon does with their programs it does not work on the different ECUs. When they used to list their chips on their site, they had specific programs for 4WS ECUs and TCS ECUs. Kind of weird, but I guess they know what they're doing.

 

Forbidden.....where did you get your chip from and how much did you pay for it??

 

I got it from HMO when I got my swap. It came over in one of their BB4 front clips.

 

damn i wish i would have gotten that lucky, do you think they have them jus layin around or anything that they would sell???

 

No.

 

do you know any of them at HMO, are you close to them or anything like that??

 

there is no such thing as a REAL mugen/spoon/jun chip. neither company sells just CHIPS. they are all just programmed chips made from that respective company's ecu's specs. so, unless you buy a REAL spoon p13 ecu for a prelude...you get what you pay for.

EDIT: sorry i didn't see that explained previously. haha

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freemantle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Supposing they could get their hands on a Spoon P13, copying it would be quite easy. As far as it being a fake, I have NO idea as to what they would do. The guys at ECImulti and PGMFI have been fervently been trying to crack the p13/p14 code, but it is a huge departure from the P28, p06, and p72 ECUs that we are used to (the map values are expressed in an equation, not a solid integer). People have found the rev limiter though, but that is the only real results i've seen. If it is a fake, they must have just randomly changed values in the EPROM, which is terrifying to say the least...</TD></TR></TABLE>

I posted VTEC locations, rev limit locations, serial routines for datalogging, where the map sensor routines are for boost, where the AC code is (Think AC Cut), where the CEL code is (Think CEL shiftlight), and a few extra things to get people started with p12/p13/p14 code... Nobody really seemed interested so I didn't post more information on the subject... There is no *trying* to crack it... I cracked it quite some time ago, it's been done...

It's in the Accord/Prelude section of PGMFI for anyone that's curious... P13 tidbits is the name of the thread...

As for the spoon roms... The high cam ignition map is very similar to the stock USDM P13 high cam ignition map... It's a bit more agressive than the JDM P13 high cam ignition map...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HRTuning &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I posted VTEC locations, rev limit locations, serial routines for datalogging, where the map sensor routines are for boost, where the AC code is (Think AC Cut), where the CEL code is (Think CEL shiftlight), and a few extra things to get people started with p12/p13/p14 code... Nobody really seemed interested so I didn't post more information on the subject... There is no *trying* to crack it... I cracked it quite some time ago, it's been done...

It's in the Accord/Prelude section of PGMFI for anyone that's curious... P13 tidbits is the name of the thread...

As for the spoon roms... The high cam ignition map is very similar to the stock USDM P13 high cam ignition map... It's a bit more agressive than the JDM P13 high cam ignition map...</TD></TR></TABLE>

what about fuel maps?
i bet if you ahd some nice plugins for crome you would find a lot more interest.

and the 2 versions of p13 rom that i have that are claimed to be spoon v1 and v3...one is a stock fuel and ignitiopn map with altered rev limit and the other is slightly leaner up top with slightly more advanced timing adn altered rev limt, they are very veyr veyr close to stock maps.

 

Here is something I posted on PreludeOnline.com...

Hey guys,

There are a couple of people who had some questions regarding aftermarket or chipped P13 (4th gen VTEC ECU) and I wanted to share some of my recent findings...

First of all, only OBD1 JDM P13 ECUs can be chipped.

Why would you want to modify a JDM ECU? (how can you tell which ECU you have -&gt; http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/pub...1.jpg)

Well you can modify an ECU designed for a automatic transmission and convert it to 5-speed ECU. 'Chipping' refers to installing a socket for an EPROM chip which has a program already written to it. Usually, the program will remove the enforced speed limiter of 118 mph on the JDM ECU. As well, it will change fuel maps, raise or remove the rev limiter, and change the VTEC engagement point.

Real or Fake?

Now as far as I know there are only a few 'real' programs that are available to be written on the EPROM chip. The three programs are from Spoon, KS-ROM, and JUN program. What about these Mugen and Skunk2 ones on ebay for the H22? Well, Mugen and Skunk2 never sold ECUs or chips for the H22. Spoon, KS-ROM and JUN did. More than likely, people are selling a chips with a 'Mugen' or Skunk2 program when in reality it could be any one of the three or somebody else's homemade program.

Spoon ECU/Chip (not a P13 but you get the point)

Reference -&gt; http://www.modacar.com/product...DAECT

KS-ROM ECU/Chip


Reference -&gt; http://216.239.37.104/translat...lr%3D

JUN

Reference -&gt; http://www.junauto.co.jp/democ...ml?en

Does it really make a difference?

Welll here are some back to back results between a stock JDM P13 ECU, Spoon program, KS-ROM program and a 'Mugen' program. I got the Mugen program/ECU from the shop that I dynoed my car from.

Don't mind the peak numbers, looks like my car wasn't running as strong as 2 weeks ago... could be a number of factors but I did change over to my winter tires + rims since last time...



Either way, it's clear that the KS-ROM program under performed to the other programs and even to the stock ECU. It looks like the 'MUGEN' program that my shop has is the Spoon one if not a simular program. As well you can see my car will still running pretty rich still. I ran 2 runs with each ECU/program and post the best out of each. I would love to test a real JUN program ECU if anybody has one...

I decided to stick with the Spoon program/ECU for my car since it's a quick 5 whpr gain + eliminates the speed limiter/govenor (I figure I'll keep this ECU till I get a Hondata S200). I bought my Spoon program ECU from a reputible ECU programmer who is well known in the Honda community and got the Spoon program from a REAL Spoon P13 ECU. He just copied the program and writes it to a EPROM/chip. If anybody is interested in getting a Spoon program ECU, you can PM me and I'll forward you the details.

To learn more about ECUs and chipping them, this is a great reference -&gt; http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin/view

If anybody has more to offer or comment, please post.

Keith

 

Indeed, very close to stock fuel maps as well...

I develop my own editor (NepTune), so I don't plan on ever supporting crome... but he should be more than capable of supporting the format in an upcoming release...

The KS-Rom only changes the rev limit and removes the speed limit... Should have performed the same as stock...

 

intersting stuff, ifyou do make a release that has p13 suport i would be very interested in it. hell im already interested in it anyway and would love more info on it as well as pricing etc.

btw i have several USDM p13 programs on hand, one is an original Dinan chip, and the other two were labelled as XS and Skunk2.

 

I haven't seen the Dinan one, I have come across the XS and Skunk2 though...

NepTune does support P13s, but right now as a tuning package it's only available to dyno shops...

 

damn too bad, i tune for my own cars as well as my customers cars, but dont own a dyno of my own and am not likely to any time soon, i jsut rent dyno time as needed.

not to say i am disappointed with crome, and uberdata, but i am looking for a little more, but do not want to deal with hondata....

 

Understandable... I'll get in touch with you if things end up changing at some poiint...

 

i appreacite your contributions to the thread and the info you posted on pgmfi....i guess ill get off my *** and dive into hex editing, and see what i can learn..and hopefully be able to make contributions as well at some point
thanks!