i have tsome rota wheels right now 16 x 7 and some avses 100's and it sucked last time i did a scca track, tires are ****. so i dont know if anyone has any suggestions for my car, i dont think any lower priced rims in 15" will clear the wilwood kit, so if there are other wider 16" that fit or if i should just get some better tires on these rims, thats cool. let me know thanks alot. -Alex

 

hoosiers

 

Falken Azenis, 215/45/16 - you should clean up your post a bit, I'm really lost with what you're asking.

 

Sorry - I'm old and not up on the lingo. What's "time attack" again?

K

 

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K</TD></TR></TABLE>

It's a "grip" event, y0.

 

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K</TD></TR></TABLE>

http://www.sportcompactcarweb...._time/


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i need new tires to fit the 16x7 rotas on a crx that will clear without crazy rub and are good, thats why i came here since you guys have alot more exsperence then i do, so id like you to guide me the right way with a good set of tires for these rims

i have 205/45/16 avs es 100's now and want something ALOT better... shouldnt be hard to accomplish lol

or

i need a new set of rims that work with the wilwood kit and then a set of tires for those.

thanks

 

How much track experience do you have?

I'm going to guess not much - in which case you should leave the "avses 100's" (whatever those are) on the car and work on your driving instead.

 

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http://www.tirerack.com/tires/...ES100

They are cheapo Yoks.

 

not much iv done local events for the scca for the past year but the tires suck so bad i mis well just run the car on rims, that about how much traction the tires have i have a b16a jrsc ITR HR Tein from japan and the car sucked i raced my 1991 rebuilt d16 civic si tein basic with 195/60/14 azenis sport crx calipers and did better!!

 

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nm thanks for your help guys. later

 

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Stop getting irritated!

In all honesty I don't think the problem is the tires. They may not have as much grip as something else out there but I would look at the following BEFORE blaming it on the tires:

- The setup on your bling bling Tiens
- Spring rates
- Alignment settings
- Your driving style

Those tires are on par with things like Kumho 712s, Pirelli P700s, etc. which, although not ultra grippy, make decent track tires.

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That just furthers what I am saying - you drive the simpler more basic setup better BECAUSE:

A) It is more forgiving and EASIER to drive
B) Its simplicity makes it harder to "**** up" the setup
C) Your driving skill is more in line with a more basic setup

Stick with the 91 Civic for now . . .

I would also sell that 12.2" Wilwood setup and get something a little (or a lot) more sensible. That is OVERKILL on that car. An 11" is way more brake than you need at this point, given your experience - and it will allow you to run a 15" wheel which in turn will allow you to run a higher profile tire which will in turn make the car easier and more forgiving to drive.

 

bling bling? they have rust on them... they are HR's not N1's

IM not a great diver by any means but i was going as good as some of the more experienced divers that day in my daily driver... they all had their track cars. im not sure how good i am but im not going to put the crx away because you think im a bad driver with a better car.

on the last event my best was a 65.8sec my friend (raced go karts for the last 6 years) in his first gen rx7 with suspension some good tires/race rims (komho something.. sorry) his best was a 63.7. Then a older guy i was talking to thats been doing it for years has a new mini with hoosiers 2003? ($180) ran a 61.5. but i want to take the CRX to events not my daily driver civic si. The crx is the car i bulit for the track so i would like the better tires.

so as for the tires i can get another set of azenis and put them on my crx this time, but with my civic i felt the tires didnt grip as much as i would have liked but they were alot better then the Yokohama avs-es 100 tires i used on the crx.

is there any other tires that i should check out like komho, hoosiers seem too $$$ for me right now. Id like to practice more with the crx but the tires need replaced trust me. thanks

bare with me im not a english major

 

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No but if you take the time to put together a post in clear, concise english with good grammar and spelling, you will get a much better response.

You want to re-read Drew's post - he gave you some very solid advice. Lose the brakes, go back to a 15" wheel and run 205/50/15 Azenis, fix your car's setup (probably biased towards severe understeer) and get some seat time with qualified instructors (i.e. Evolution autocross school or if your region holds schools) - that will improve your driving the most.

 

with the supercharger the car had more power then the tires cold handle in any slight turn when i gave just a bit of gas the tires would rip loose in sense and then plow or understeer would result.

 

Too much throttle too soon on any almost any FWD car will do that.

If you want to keep those wheels, then 215/45/16 Azenis.

 

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I never said you were a bad driver. I said you were an inexperienced driver - which YOU confirmed.

You still haven't told us what type of events you are doing. "Time attack" doesn't tell us ****. Is this an autocross or a track event? Based on your 60-second times I am assuming you are talking about autocross. The fact that you say SCCA further points to that since SCCA Solo I events are pretty strict and with your limited experience I don't see you out running a rollbar and driver's suit.

Autocross tire needs and track tire needs are very different. A track compound tire WILL NOT heat up in time for them to work real effectively in an autocross. Conversely an autocross compound tire will get smoked very quickly on track.

So with the assumption that you are autocrossing I would ONCE AGAIN tell you to do the following:

- Lose the big brakes. Brakes that big on a CRX are overkill on-track and just downright silly on an autocross car.

- ASK other people who are running CRXs in autocrosses what shocks/spring rates/caster/camber settings they are running. I am betting you will find a LOT more Koni/Tokico/Eibach/H&R setups than you will Tien.

- ASK other people who are running CRXs what size wheels they are running and what tires. You aren't going to find too many running a 16". You will however find a fair amount of 13x8s, 14x7s and 15x7s.

- Go down to 15" wheels

- Get the Azenis

- Take a few Evolution schools.

 

i said <U>just a bit of gas</U>, not too much gas, i wasnt flooring it in a turn lol

i can try the azenis, was there anything with a softer compound that would fit, that you guys know of? thanks again for the help

 

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Welcome to the world of FWD. As .RJ said this will happen with any FWD. It is a function of the drive wheels also being the steering wheels. When you are in a corner and the tires are turned as well as running on their outter edges your coeficient of friction is drastically reduced. Add into the equation a stock open diff and you have a recipe for spinning tires with even minimal throttle input.

An LSD would make a big difference if you don't already have one.

 

The only thing with a softer compound is an r-tire which I would not recommend for your experience level... yet.

Also, if your car is understeering and you dont do anything about it or just keep adding steering input, you only make the situation worse.

You have to back out of the throttle -or- unwind the wheel. Unwinding the wheel will make the car hook up and get through the corner, which is counterintuitive but it works.

 

they are just scca events, i only go to the gissom airoplex its a large course i get up to 80-90mph sometimes when they do the mirror track and the brakes are great there. other wise the brakes are overkill but i do everything with this car and i really like the wilwoods, i just need to install my proportioning valve since the front is a bit strong and crazy over power the rear.

id lke to go to tracks, id like a trailer and need more info on when to go ect. to mid ohio and putnum i guess since they are close

the tires are a problem thats why i started this thread. i like to learn on my own as iv done everything else. its all for fun and wasting money. tho i might check out the classes, ill try and find some more info.

 

i do have a stock lsd in the s1 tranny. i have yet to purchace a quaife or play with taking trannies apart.


you guy are kinda helpful but seem to mistake me for a jank **** that doesnt know anything.

but any how are there any komho tires that are decent as far as traction, im just lookin for what others thought worked out good for them before. just let me buy some good tires and waste my money please!

 

What TYPE of SCCA events? Rally? Solo I? Solo II? ProSolo? Road racing? Pro Racing? Pro Rally? - Those are ALL "SCCA Events"

80-90MPH &lt; 12.2" brakes

You would not see any difference by just getting off-the-shelf 11" Corrado rotors and the Fastbrake caliper adaptors to allow you to use your existing Wilwoods with them.

I am sorry we are not telling you what you want to hear but at the same time we are addressing the ROOT of your problem, not the band-aid. The reason why is because there is a GOOD possibility that if you just throw a set of Hoosiers on your car you will STILL have the same problem - only then you are out $800.

Here is a summary of this thread so far:

- I have a problem and tires will fix it
- Tires won't fix your problem - you need to look at this . . .
- Tires will fix it because it was better in a completely different car
- Tires won't fix the problem
- Yes they WILL! Screw you guys for not helping - I am going home!

You have a year's worth of autocrossing under your belt.

Conversely I have 12 years and over 250 events which works out to well over 1000 autocross runs. I have 2 DC Region SCCA class championships and now have about 30 track days.

.RJ is on about his 5th year of autocrossing and 2nd or 3rd year of track driving. We HAVE the experience and knowledge to tell you that the tires are NOT the cure, just a band-aid.

If you don't want to listen - fine. Don't get mad when you still have the problem after getting new tires and not changing anything else however . . .

 

i agree im not saying you guys are wrong in any way you guys rock in fact but im just weird sorry yo id rather try some tires and see how it goes. I dont want hoosiers too much $$ and iv already played with the azenis, so i was thinkin a set of komho that you recommend?

i wouldnt mind getting a smaller rotor ect or caliper as long as the braking power is almost the same and i can change pads easy and weight is about the same or less i didnt think the one peice rotor is going to weigh less then the 2 piece i have now, i can look into getting a new rotor and caliper braket then??? that works for me id rather do that kinda now that we are talkin about it so i can run something smaller then 16"