unbeatable stock exhaust?
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unbeatable stock exhaust?
I heared many times that stock S2K exhaust is hardly beatable in terms of gaining power. That many times different cat-backs make even power losses. What is the "public" opinion?
So which ones (cat back systems) are really dyno proven to gain HPs or at least "keep" the stock power output ?
Thanx in advance...
So which ones (cat back systems) are really dyno proven to gain HPs or at least "keep" the stock power output ?
Thanx in advance...
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Re: unbeatable stock exhaust? (Twin-cam)
For the most part, single outs will gain by a few HP. For the Amuse Ti exhaust (single out) gains are reported around 9hp, which is quite significant, given the % gain. Dual outs will gain/lose/stay the same, but provide an aesthetic effect.
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Re: unbeatable stock exhaust?
the only real gain you are going to get is the weight savings..... stock weight is something horrible like 62lbs or something like that....
I had a Veilside Ti that weighed 7lbs....nice savings.... lots of noise though... too much noise.... same with J's...too much noise.
I had an HKS for a while which sounded nice but it weighed over 40lbs so there was minimal weight savings.
there is no way to win....either too much noise or too much weight.....and an empty wallet to boot.
I had a Veilside Ti that weighed 7lbs....nice savings.... lots of noise though... too much noise.... same with J's...too much noise.
I had an HKS for a while which sounded nice but it weighed over 40lbs so there was minimal weight savings.
there is no way to win....either too much noise or too much weight.....and an empty wallet to boot.
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Re: unbeatable stock exhaust? (Twin-cam)
i have a T1R...its a full 2.5" 63mm system that includes a test pipe...plus it has a pimp all blue ti tip.....single is good for performance but dual IMO looks better 
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Singles look retarded. Especially for a street car.
Stock exhaust is very well designed. I personally don't like aftermarket parts that draw too much attention to themselves (e.g. JDM boy racer blue tips; excessively huge coffee can openings; et al).
Stock exhaust is very well designed. I personally don't like aftermarket parts that draw too much attention to themselves (e.g. JDM boy racer blue tips; excessively huge coffee can openings; et al).
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Re: (WRS2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Singles look retarded. Especially for a street car.
Stock exhaust is very well designed. I personally don't like aftermarket parts that draw too much attention to themselves (e.g. JDM boy racer blue tips; excessively huge coffee can openings; et al).</TD></TR></TABLE>
who cares about what looks retarded...i dont know about you, but myself, and a few others like me (though a dying breed) still believe in function over form. I'd way rather go w/ a single exit, which makes more power (may be louder and have a higher profile...but who cares[to an extent]) and weighs a hell of a lot less. For example, i'd rather go w/ a titanium exhaust which will drop 30+ pds even if it only gives me 2-3 hp or so. Weight is a bad thing too. Everyone know honda went w/ a dual exhaust setup on the s2k, same w/ the tsx as well, not because its better...but because they wanted a lower profile setup, which was quieter. Thats it...
Stock exhaust is very well designed. I personally don't like aftermarket parts that draw too much attention to themselves (e.g. JDM boy racer blue tips; excessively huge coffee can openings; et al).</TD></TR></TABLE>
who cares about what looks retarded...i dont know about you, but myself, and a few others like me (though a dying breed) still believe in function over form. I'd way rather go w/ a single exit, which makes more power (may be louder and have a higher profile...but who cares[to an extent]) and weighs a hell of a lot less. For example, i'd rather go w/ a titanium exhaust which will drop 30+ pds even if it only gives me 2-3 hp or so. Weight is a bad thing too. Everyone know honda went w/ a dual exhaust setup on the s2k, same w/ the tsx as well, not because its better...but because they wanted a lower profile setup, which was quieter. Thats it...
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You're not winning races and bringing in the trophies with the single outlet.
Aesthetics count. Performance counts. Single outlet sacrifices too much of one thing for just a little bit of the other.
I'm all about balance. Boy racers are not.
Aesthetics count. Performance counts. Single outlet sacrifices too much of one thing for just a little bit of the other.
I'm all about balance. Boy racers are not.
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Re: (WRS2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You're not winning races and bringing in the trophies with the single outlet.
Aesthetics count. Performance counts. Single outlet sacrifices too much of one thing for just a little bit of the other.
I'm all about balance. Boy racers are not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, this is all in your humble opinion...which everyone is entitlted to...including you, and myself
but anyways, aesthetics aside, i find it pointless really...to go w/ a dual exit. for example for those exhaust that are offered, say a spugen ti in both dual exit, and single exit...why even go w/ a dual exit? my point is..with a single exit, if you're not making power...you're saving a good amount of weight.
Aesthetics count. Performance counts. Single outlet sacrifices too much of one thing for just a little bit of the other.
I'm all about balance. Boy racers are not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
well, this is all in your humble opinion...which everyone is entitlted to...including you, and myself
but anyways, aesthetics aside, i find it pointless really...to go w/ a dual exit. for example for those exhaust that are offered, say a spugen ti in both dual exit, and single exit...why even go w/ a dual exit? my point is..with a single exit, if you're not making power...you're saving a good amount of weight.
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Re: (WRS2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> Boy racers are not.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i know u arent talking to me like a boy racer!!!! If so u can get a BIG **** U!!!
IMO the single i feel is a lot lighter ....looks not as attractive...but just ON GP...single is def better for any kind of gains that can be made and weighs less...I just put this exhaust on yesterday casue nobody wanted to buy it....i would have gone with the mugen or supersprint...as i like the look of the dual more and this car is my everyday driver... im not racing this car at the tack or anything like that...slo right now im more for looks w/ some performance (light weight items)
i know u arent talking to me like a boy racer!!!! If so u can get a BIG **** U!!!
IMO the single i feel is a lot lighter ....looks not as attractive...but just ON GP...single is def better for any kind of gains that can be made and weighs less...I just put this exhaust on yesterday casue nobody wanted to buy it....i would have gone with the mugen or supersprint...as i like the look of the dual more and this car is my everyday driver... im not racing this car at the tack or anything like that...slo right now im more for looks w/ some performance (light weight items)
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singles look retarded? i don't think so..
if i was given the choice b/w (for example) a dual r1 or single r1, i'd take the single just based on looks alone. then you get the extra weight savings and performance of the single too. if anything, aftermarket duals are considered "rice" to me since the f20c only has one exhuast manifold, therefore a dual is not required at all. but i do admit the OEM dual exhaust looks really nice and clean, but is not functional...as you already know, it weighs ~55 pounds which is horrible.
if i was given the choice b/w (for example) a dual r1 or single r1, i'd take the single just based on looks alone. then you get the extra weight savings and performance of the single too. if anything, aftermarket duals are considered "rice" to me since the f20c only has one exhuast manifold, therefore a dual is not required at all. but i do admit the OEM dual exhaust looks really nice and clean, but is not functional...as you already know, it weighs ~55 pounds which is horrible.
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It's nothing close to rice. It comes dual from the factory.
Too many boy racers up in herre because, again, with all these performance gains, none of you are beginning to come close to "winning trophies".
Go duals.
Too many boy racers up in herre because, again, with all these performance gains, none of you are beginning to come close to "winning trophies".
Go duals.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Razor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">singles look retarded? i don't think so..
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that sir is beauty!!!! if i could afford that i would b all over it...looks great and lightweight!!!
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that sir is beauty!!!! if i could afford that i would b all over it...looks great and lightweight!!!
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Re: (WRS2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's nothing close to rice. It comes dual from the factory.
Too many boy racers up in herre because, again, with all these performance gains, none of you are beginning to come close to "winning trophies".
Go duals.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude, time and time again...you've always seemed to make absoutely no sense in this forum. you always bash jdm parts, because people are on the jdm bandwagon, even when they really aren't. and when bash people for buying aftermarket products because they're not out racing their s2's and "winning trophies". i think, both you and i know that is a crock of shiet. so i guess if someone fixes up a s2k @ all, and their not winning any trophies...they're nothing more than a boy racer? adding gears, intake, header, ems, a single exit titanium (two of these parts alone will drop @ least 50 lbs) lighter rims etc...that all make me, or anyone else a boy racer, even if there is a specific reason, and function for each part? then again, i think you've always said that the s2000 was designed perfectly from the factory, and there's no need for it to be modded @ all.
Too many boy racers up in herre because, again, with all these performance gains, none of you are beginning to come close to "winning trophies".
Go duals.</TD></TR></TABLE>
dude, time and time again...you've always seemed to make absoutely no sense in this forum. you always bash jdm parts, because people are on the jdm bandwagon, even when they really aren't. and when bash people for buying aftermarket products because they're not out racing their s2's and "winning trophies". i think, both you and i know that is a crock of shiet. so i guess if someone fixes up a s2k @ all, and their not winning any trophies...they're nothing more than a boy racer? adding gears, intake, header, ems, a single exit titanium (two of these parts alone will drop @ least 50 lbs) lighter rims etc...that all make me, or anyone else a boy racer, even if there is a specific reason, and function for each part? then again, i think you've always said that the s2000 was designed perfectly from the factory, and there's no need for it to be modded @ all.
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Re: (WRS2K)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's nothing close to rice. It comes dual from the factory.
Too many boy racers up in herre because, again, with all these performance gains, none of you are beginning to come close to "winning trophies".
Go duals.
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lol, there's no other purpose for a dual exhaust other than aesthetics. If that concerns you so much, so be it. But do not flame those that think otherwise.
Too many boy racers up in herre because, again, with all these performance gains, none of you are beginning to come close to "winning trophies".
Go duals.
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lol, there's no other purpose for a dual exhaust other than aesthetics. If that concerns you so much, so be it. But do not flame those that think otherwise.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vapor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
lol, there's no other purpose for a dual exhaust other than aesthetics. If that concerns you so much, so be it. But do not flame those that think otherwise.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Vapor, I went with the duals to decrease the volume and make it more streetable. singles are inherently louder. I went with the dual Amuse for weight and sound.
lol, there's no other purpose for a dual exhaust other than aesthetics. If that concerns you so much, so be it. But do not flame those that think otherwise.
</TD></TR></TABLE>Vapor, I went with the duals to decrease the volume and make it more streetable. singles are inherently louder. I went with the dual Amuse for weight and sound.
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i know u arent talking to me like a boy racer!!!! If so u can get a BIG **** U!!!
IMO the single i feel is a lot lighter ....looks not as attractive...but just ON GP...single is def better for any kind of gains that can be made and weighs less...I just put this exhaust on yesterday casue nobody wanted to buy it....i would have gone with the mugen or supersprint...as i like the look of the dual more and this car is my everyday driver... im not racing this car at the tack or anything like that...slo right now im more for looks w/ some performance (light weight items) </TD></TR></TABLE>
He wasnt talking to you I dont think - and it looks like you're selling that exhaust already. What up with that yo?
i know u arent talking to me like a boy racer!!!! If so u can get a BIG **** U!!!
IMO the single i feel is a lot lighter ....looks not as attractive...but just ON GP...single is def better for any kind of gains that can be made and weighs less...I just put this exhaust on yesterday casue nobody wanted to buy it....i would have gone with the mugen or supersprint...as i like the look of the dual more and this car is my everyday driver... im not racing this car at the tack or anything like that...slo right now im more for looks w/ some performance (light weight items) </TD></TR></TABLE>
He wasnt talking to you I dont think - and it looks like you're selling that exhaust already. What up with that yo?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SimbaDogg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
so i guess if someone fixes up a s2k @ all, and their not winning any trophies...they're nothing more than a boy racer? adding gears, intake, header, ems, a single exit titanium (two of these parts alone will drop @ least 50 lbs) lighter rims etc...that all make me, or anyone else a boy racer, even if there is a specific reason, and function for each part?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, and yes. Does it really bother you that much?
so i guess if someone fixes up a s2k @ all, and their not winning any trophies...they're nothing more than a boy racer? adding gears, intake, header, ems, a single exit titanium (two of these parts alone will drop @ least 50 lbs) lighter rims etc...that all make me, or anyone else a boy racer, even if there is a specific reason, and function for each part?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, and yes. Does it really bother you that much?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by WRS2K »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes, and yes. Does it really bother you that much?</TD></TR></TABLE>
nope, not even the slightest bit to be quite honest. why would it? i've come to the conclusion that you lack some of the most fundamental reasoning skills (and i think others in this forum would agree)...but i guess that wouldn't bother you either.
nope, not even the slightest bit to be quite honest. why would it? i've come to the conclusion that you lack some of the most fundamental reasoning skills (and i think others in this forum would agree)...but i guess that wouldn't bother you either.
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He wasnt talking to you I dont think - and it looks like you're selling that exhaust already. What up with that yo?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah man...i just had the exhaust installed yesterday...ive been trying to sell this thing for the longest...and nobody wanted to buy it..so i said what the hell...i might as well put it on....its sounds nice as hell!!!!!!!! but my girl thinks its too loud...all girls think any exhaust is loud...so im trying to sell it to buy a mugen or soemthing or that nature...or maybe ARC TI dual...i really wanted the amuse TI single...but this will also be loud...if the s2k was my weekend driver i would leave it the way it is now
He wasnt talking to you I dont think - and it looks like you're selling that exhaust already. What up with that yo?</TD></TR></TABLE>
yeah man...i just had the exhaust installed yesterday...ive been trying to sell this thing for the longest...and nobody wanted to buy it..so i said what the hell...i might as well put it on....its sounds nice as hell!!!!!!!! but my girl thinks its too loud...all girls think any exhaust is loud...so im trying to sell it to buy a mugen or soemthing or that nature...or maybe ARC TI dual...i really wanted the amuse TI single...but this will also be loud...if the s2k was my weekend driver i would leave it the way it is now
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SimbaDogg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
nope, not even the slightest bit to be quite honest. why would it? i've come to the conclusion that you lack some of the most fundamental reasoning skills (and i think others in this forum would agree)...but i guess that wouldn't bother you either. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it doesn't bother me. And fundamental reasoning skills have little to do with machinations regarding car parts and bhp-lb/ft gains.
nope, not even the slightest bit to be quite honest. why would it? i've come to the conclusion that you lack some of the most fundamental reasoning skills (and i think others in this forum would agree)...but i guess that wouldn't bother you either. </TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it doesn't bother me. And fundamental reasoning skills have little to do with machinations regarding car parts and bhp-lb/ft gains.
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Surely 1 is cheaper than 2? So if you buy one backbox, you get increased performance, decreased weight, looks brilliant (plus, people that are in the know will give and agree on its coolness), and is cheaper too!
Bonus extra - Its one less tail pipe to polish!
How can there be any disadvantage? Of course if I had eleventymillion exhausts I would get HUGE respect of the F&F brigade, especially with them all blowing blue/purple fire out the back.....
and agree on its coolness), and is cheaper too!Bonus extra - Its one less tail pipe to polish!
How can there be any disadvantage? Of course if I had eleventymillion exhausts I would get HUGE respect of the F&F brigade, especially with them all blowing blue/purple fire out the back.....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dut619 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">- relax guys, its WRS2k.. we all know he's an *******.. just ignore his posts 
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You guys need a laughing icon over here.
You guys do know WRS2k doesn't even own an S2000, right? It's his Mom's.
</TD></TR></TABLE>You guys need a laughing icon over here.
You guys do know WRS2k doesn't even own an S2000, right? It's his Mom's.
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You guys need a laughing icon over here.
You guys do know WRS2k doesn't even own an S2000, right? It's his Mom's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
You guys need a laughing icon over here.
You guys do know WRS2k doesn't even own an S2000, right? It's his Mom's.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: (Razor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Razor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">singles look retarded? i don't think so..
if i was given the choice b/w (for example) a dual r1 or single r1, i'd take the single just based on looks alone. then you get the extra weight savings and performance of the single too. if anything, aftermarket duals are considered "rice" to me since the f20c only has one exhuast manifold, therefore a dual is not required at all. but i do admit the OEM dual exhaust looks really nice and clean, but is not functional...as you already know, it weighs ~55 pounds which is horrible. </TD></TR></TABLE>
I would rock that exhaust all day.. They are alittle $$$$$$ if you know what I mean..
if i was given the choice b/w (for example) a dual r1 or single r1, i'd take the single just based on looks alone. then you get the extra weight savings and performance of the single too. if anything, aftermarket duals are considered "rice" to me since the f20c only has one exhuast manifold, therefore a dual is not required at all. but i do admit the OEM dual exhaust looks really nice and clean, but is not functional...as you already know, it weighs ~55 pounds which is horrible.
</TD></TR></TABLE>I would rock that exhaust all day.. They are alittle $$$$$$ if you know what I mean..