okay my original question was bashed harshly let me refraise.........what im trying to figure out more specifically was if just a carbon fiber sheet is enough or does it have to have any type of renforcement the pics shown would appear to be just a sheet of carbon fiber.........i mean my carbon hood would be pretty thin without the fiberglass underlay holding it up....so is it okay to just have a sheet of something "flapping" covering the hole......or does it have to be a certain thickness or durability that is "securely attached to the vehicle cover opening".

section 4.5 NASA pro racing rules or "honda challenge" rules

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Underside angle


Underside straight on


Custom Brackets


Gap Close up just before sealing with silicon


Gap after sealing

Has some paper towel debris I forgot to blow off after I finished

Follows the roofline perfectly


Finished from above


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Modified by Madspeed at 7:40 PM 8/8/2004


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Modified by Madspeed at 8:48 PM 8/8/2004

 

RTFB

 

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???what does that mean??? "read the F'n book"???

 

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???what does that mean???</TD></TR></TABLE>

Read The ******* 'Book

HC rules here: http://www.nasaproracing.com/r...c.pdf

How you could start building a race car without actually looking at the rule book is beyond my comprehension...

 

Honda tech is so full of haters damn it was just a question.....holy **** simple question...a simple yeah or no dumbass would have been fine. damn sorry i asked.
and i have read the rule book many many times....i have read lots of books i cant quote from off the top of my head....but the HC rule book is read daily.....im looking for something more specific than what it has stated....sorry to be a bother.


Modified by Madspeed at 8:56 PM 8/8/2004

 

maybe if you read the book ahead of time the questions can be answered. or you can reference a specific part of the rules in your question so it looks like you attempted to find an answer first.

Grumpy, maybe you guys should just change the NASA rule book to "the F'ing Book"

Brian

 

Might be easier and a better end product to reskin it. If you can't get a roof skin (if one is available for your model) from a junkyard, I am pretty sure you can get them from Honda (at least I was told so) for a couple hundred dollars.

 

Mine started life as a BMW hood. LOL!

 

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Brian</TD></TR></TABLE>

okay i read the rules i changed my question to be more specific.....see if that helps.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules-forms/2004_hc.pdf &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">[a) Sunroofs or Moonroofs made of glass must be either:
1) removed from the vehicle during competition; or (in this case arm restraints required)
2) replaced by an acceptable covering such as sheet metal, aluminum, or composite (i.e lexan, carbon
fiber) that is securely attached to the vehicle covering the opening.
3) Covered with tape on both sides of glass
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I must say that this particular rule is a little unclear. Item 1 says "or (in this case arm restraints required).

"Or" what?? Are arm restraints required if you cover the hole with sheet metal (which would, presumably, be the case if you weld in something)? Maybe it's a simple formatting and bulleting thing?

BTW - it's not a site full of haters. It's a site full of people who are simultaneously sick of hearing the same old questions, and as a result, are sick of reading what "looks like" the same old questions...

Fair question you've brought up.

 

I'm in the process of ordering a JDM Prelude Type S roof panel to reskin my 5th gen Prelude. $375 USD new from Honda. I looked at this CF plug kit and it didn't seem too safe IMHO. On the 5th gen Prelude it's basically held on with JB Weld, small aluminum brackets, and pop rivets.


Modified by bdb at 7:39 AM 8/9/2004

 

The guy asked a question. If the question bothers somebody there is no need to cuss the guy out. People are going to be new to the forum and guess what they are going to ask questions that have been asked before. No need to flame the crap out of the guy. Isn't it better to have a new guy come in and maybe make a contribution now or later instead of flaming his *** of the forum. If you don't like the question then don't answer it. Some of you guys need to lighten up or up your meds.
Barry H.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by apexinghonda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">The guy asked a question. If the question bothers somebody there is no need to cuss the guy out. People are going to be new to the forum and guess what they are going to ask questions that have been asked before. No need to flame the crap out of the guy. Isn't it better to have a new guy come in and maybe make a contribution now or later instead of flaming his *** of the forum. If you don't like the question then don't answer it. Some of you guys need to lighten up or up your meds.
Barry H. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeahwhat he said

 

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BTW - it's not a site full of haters. It's a site full of people who are simultaneously sick of hearing the same old questions, and as a result, are sick of reading what "looks like" the same old questions...

Fair question you've brought up.</TD></TR></TABLE>

point taken.....thanks by the way.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">a) Sunroofs or Moonroofs made of glass must be either:
1) removed from the vehicle during competition; or (in this case arm restraints required)
2) replaced by an acceptable covering such as sheet metal, aluminum, or composite (i.e lexan, carbon
fiber) that is securely attached to the vehicle covering the opening.
3) Covered with tape on both sides of glass
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I think it would make more sense if they changed Number 1 to this:

1) removed from the vehicle during competition (in this case arm restraints required); or

Just move the or to the end of the line. Anyway, the CF plug is legal in HC.



Modified by 577HondaPrelude at 1:48 PM 8/9/2004

 

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I think it would make more sense if they changed Number 1 to this:

1) removed from the vehicle during competition (in this case arm restraints required); or
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It will be done.

 

There is no requirement for thickness. It must be secure and not come detached during the race. It must also be strong enough to prevent the drivers hands from penetrating it during a rollover.

 

whats the price on something like that? my car had an aftermarket sunroof installed in it by the prior owner and i want to either swap it out for a better one or plug it, being that the plug will most likely be tons cheaper, do they make custom sizes, etc?

 

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search for CF sunroof plug kit and you will get the thread that i borrowed the pics from....that dude sells em

 

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search for CF sunroof plug kit and you will get the thread that i borrowed the pics from....that dude sells em
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thanks bro

 

the concern about thickness i think is alil miss placed.

first off the sheet metal up there is thin very thin. second off you have the front hoop of the roll cage to protect the car in a roll over situation.

on any honda the outer body panels to nothing more then provide a body line, and maybe aerodynamics, i dunno. but as far as strength your not going to find it on a body panel.


i often wonder why people just don't take a peace of sheet metal and weld it in, seems like it would be easy and very secure.

 

fwiw, SCCA IT rules state any sunroof cover has got to be strapped or bolted to the roof, and of the same MATERIAL and THICKNESS as the rest of the roof. so its more restrictive than HC rules.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the concern about thickness i think is alil miss placed.

first off the sheet metal up there is thin very thin. second off you have the front hoop of the roll cage to protect the car in a roll over situation.

on any honda the outer body panels to nothing more then provide a body line, and maybe aerodynamics, i dunno. but as far as strength your not going to find it on a body panel.

i often wonder why people just don't take a peace of sheet metal and weld it in, seems like it would be easy and very secure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't think they require it secured as it is per the GCR because it will hold its shape in a rollover, its to keep your body parts in the car from my understanding (which is why they require it attached securely).

People probably don't just cut a sheet of metal and weld it in because there are much simpler options available to them.

 

good info

 

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hmmmm i think the sheet metal option is the simplest.

considering some people actually swap out the whoel roof of the car.