I'm gonna be building a ECHC H2 Type R over the winter hopefully and had some questions about this cage.It's the autopower "bolt in" cage.It says that it is legal for NASA/SCCA racing.It's there any here running this cage in there ECHC car?Any way here is the pic,

 

i need to know too!!!!

 

wehjres the cell phone bar?

 

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, No need for a cell phone on the racetrack.

 

Assuming they meet the specs of the CCR they should be fine. There were/are some cars with bolt-ins running in ECHC.

I do think Grumpy mentioned that bolt-ins might not be legal for much longer. I would not race with a bolt-in, but that is just my opinion.

Best thing to do is check with NASA.

 

i am currently running this cage for the WCHC. As far as i could/can tell, it's meets the NASA CCR just fine.
Of course, like others have said, it's certainly not the ideal way to go with a race car, but as a temporary "get you on track" move, it works.

Mine's been "temporary" for about a year now

 

is it possible to just weld this cage in using the "bolt plates".....just a thought...i dont really know the difference (ignorance is bliss) so could someone give me the pros and cons of using this bolt in cage v/s welding THIS cage in?

 

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Basically the added expense of welding in and improving a basic Autopower would get you into (or close to) a custom fabricatedd cage if you find a builder who isn't trying to rape you. You'd also have the cage real close to you...Autopowers are built for cars that have full interiors. If you gut the car there will be inches, literally, between the cage and the shell of the car.

I know. I did this (didn't weld it in thankfully, just kept it while the car was gutted for a season) and after one season sucked it up and got a real cage. Worth every dime.

I asked this question a couple years ago, some info there too. https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=278890

 

AFAIK the "bolt-in" cage offerings by Auto Power and Kirkey have already been prohibited. The only allowings are those to be grandfathered in. i.e. if you already had one in your car you can still use it. I think eventually they will be outlawed all together.

Honestly though...why even bother?

 

ERW material cages = illegal. DOM material that meets the rest of the minimum specs for car weight is legal.

Go here: http://www.nasaproracing.com/rules/ccr.pdf
read section: 15.6 Roll Cage

Trust me (us) when we say that a custom cage really is the way to go.

 

Only legal if it's DOM. I think that's all they make now, but they used to offer ERW cages also. I'm using a DOM one.

 

Pm'ed you

 

You guys in NC should get in touch with Chris Schimmel at Competition Cages in Hillsborough - http://www.competitioncages.com

He does great work for reasonable prices and you will get a much tighter fitment than with a bolt-in. If you factor in ANY kind of value on your time, you will probably be money ahead with a custom cage.

Tell Chris that Kirk sent you and he'll treat you right...

K

 

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He does great work for reasonable prices and you will get a much tighter fitment than with a bolt-in. If you factor in ANY kind of value on your time, you will probably be money ahead with a custom cage.

Tell Chris that Kirk sent you and he'll treat you right...

K</TD></TR></TABLE>

I have been to the website a few times before.I think I'm gonna send him a email and get a estimate.I'll be sure to mention your name when I contact him

 

They are legal...and I have one for sale. 1 3/4 DOM tubing

 

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Honestly though...why even bother?</TD></TR></TABLE>

is this true????
help me out here Evil Drew.

 

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Grumpy did not say that.

 

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Honestly though...why even bother?</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would like to see this in print?????


Bolt in cages are legal according to the CCR. Here is but one reference to them.

Class rules often supercede the CCR. Chech your class rules.

15.5.14.A Mounting Plates – Bolt-In Cage
The attaching points of a bolt-in cage to the body must use reinforcing plates to
sandwich the body. At least three (3) bolts are required for each bolt-in plate and the
plate must be at least 3/16 inch thick. All hardware must be SAE Grade 5 or better with
5/16” diameter minimum. All nuts must be held securely by a locking system such as
safety wire, lock washer, Ny-lox, or jam-nuts.

Having said that weld in, CUSTOM MADE, cages are best. You have much more control over the attachment plates and personal fitment.

 

The guys at http://www.full-race.com do awesome fab work. That's who will eventually do my cage.

 

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is this true????
help me out here Evil Drew.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It is absolutely NOT true - Grumpy knows all the rules for EVERY race series in existence and he says it is not true so I go with Grumpy over Mr Milano since Grumpy is one of the people who CERTIFIES cages when a new car is issued its log book.

 

i run one in echc h1...i also got it dirt cheap and im on a very tight budget...works fine for me

 

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It is absolutely NOT true - Grumpy knows all the rules for EVERY race series in existence and he says it is not true so I go with Grumpy over Mr Milano since Grumpy is one of the people who CERTIFIES cages when a new car is issued its log book.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks...im so new at this...i feel like a tourist swimming in a local surf spot.

 

Well I apologize then if that was incorrect. I must have gotten the info some where because for the longest time last year I was planning on using an AutoPower 6pt cage in my 99 Si for H3 before it was stolen. Only to post a thread about it and people tell me it was already outlawed and only allowed to be grandfathered in i.e. if you already had a tech sticker with it in the car.

I later on learned the benefits of a custom cage and chose to go that route anyways, as anyone should. Oh well.

Sorry for the misinformation guys.

 

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That was 100% completely and entirely true . . . about Autopower ERW cages.

DOM are still 100% legal.

 

Could you be confused about asking the legality of an ERW Autopower cage? That would have gotten the response you are recalling (but that's a materials question not the manufacturer).