I have often wondered if there are many people that use them. I mean if you think about it, they make for a more rigid steering system which would give you more precise control because there would be no front LCA lateral movement. i am just wondering how many people have used them effectively in a road race/Auto-X environment.....or I woulsd like to hear why they would not be good for the track/handling if you feel that you shouldn't use them

(this is ony for those few kits that have very minimal to no suspension bind and they do nothing but keep everything from flexing)

 

There was a 3 page thread on this not too long ago.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirtyd463 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I mean if you think about it, they make for a more rigid steering system which would give you more precise control because there would be no front LCA lateral movement.</TD></TR></TABLE>

You want lateral movement. Without it the car would just bounce and lose traction. Cornering physics are nothing like straight line physics.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am just wondering how many people have used them effectively in a road race/Auto-X environment.....</TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly ZERO.

 

but with a well tuned suspension wouldn't they be helpful...I mean it would let you have better control of the vehicle.....why would the car bounce? wouldn't that imply that the tire pressures and spring rates are too high?

also where is this thread you speak of? I cannot find it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirtyd463 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but with a well tuned suspension wouldn't they be helpful...</TD></TR></TABLE>

If it is a properly set-up suspension you don't need to restrict lateral movement in the first place.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I mean it would let you have better control of the vehicle.....why would the car bounce?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Bounce was a bad word. Hop is a better one to use.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wouldn't that imply that the tire pressures and spring rates are too high?</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not necessarily.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also where is this thread you speak of? I cannot find it.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ask the guy who posted that one exists.

Also know that if THIS idea worked people would be doing it. I promise you that you haven't come up with some brilliant new concept. If it had any possibility of being effective someone has already tried and failed.

 

well it was just a thought......that is what H-T is for, LEARNING!

thanks man, ya learn something new every day. The reason I am asking is because I am trying to get my Del Slow ready to go on track but I have been thinking of little things that I normally wouldn't.

I am about to go and print off a set of the SCCA and NASA rules so my car will be within specs so I can compete when I am ready


oh BTW....how/why did you change your screen name?

 

Why don't you go out and learn how to drive in a stock car?

You will get an awful lot more out of it than you will a built car.

 

I plan on doing somethig of the sort. I am going to be going out there with just a swap and cheap suspension and slowly upgrade to better suspension and tires as I get better. I really have no choice with the swap thing because I have it already (JDM ITR swap)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evil Drew M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why don't you go out and learn how to drive in a stock car?

You will get an awful lot more out of it than you will a built car.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I don't agree with this but that's for another day.

To the original poster, what's the difference here from radius rod arms (and/or more rigid bearings/bushings for them) over what you are talking about with a "traction bar" (sorry, just not familiar with the term)? Is it controling movement in a different plane than your are talking about?

 

traction bars and radius arms are the same thing (like what is found on a DA and EF and what drag racers use to prevent wheel hop because of lateral movement)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by phat-S &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I don't agree with this but that's for another day.</TD></TR></TABLE>

So what else is new?

 

also you have to keep in mind that this is for a 94 EG1 (del sol)

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dirtyd463 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also you have to keep in mind that this is for a 94 EG1 (del sol)</TD></TR></TABLE>

As-in the car doesn't have them? Gotcha.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evil Drew M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If it had any possibility of being effective someone has already tried and failed.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Or wasnt legal for most classes/series...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evil Drew M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

You want lateral movement. Without it the car would just bounce and lose traction. Cornering physics are nothing like straight line physics.



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no you don't want lateral movement......before when i power shifted my car would jerk side to side (lateral movement) since then i have installed a full-race traction bar...i have no more lateral movement, no more wheel hop, and as soon as the rain let up i'm gonna take my car with it's new traction bar to the track and turn that 14.2 sec 1/4 mile time into low 13's ......

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bull2k4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and as soon as the rain let up i'm gonna take my car with it's new traction bar to the track and turn that 14.2 sec 1/4 mile time into low 13's ......</TD></TR></TABLE>

And this has exactly WHAT to do with cornering physics?

I am not sure if you read the thread from the beginning or not but we aren't talking about drag racing - and we never were.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bull2k4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

no you don't want lateral movement......before when i power shifted my car would jerk side to side (lateral movement) since then i have installed a full-race traction bar...i have no more lateral movement, no more wheel hop, and as soon as the rain let up i'm gonna take my car with it's new traction bar to the track and turn that 14.2 sec 1/4 mile time into low 13's ......</TD></TR></TABLE>

you must be in the wrong forum, in this forum we talk about TURNING and CORNERS, something SLR don't deal with

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evil Drew M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...I promise you that you haven't come up with some brilliant new concept. If it had any possibility of being effective someone has already tried and failed....</TD></TR></TABLE>

I always hate hearing this this. It means two things: 1. You must know everything to know this for certain. 2. We can all be thankful you never talked to various famous inventors throughout history.

Foisting a "why bother" outlook on life upon others is disappointing to see.

 

if you start reading post here more you will come to learn that, evil drew m is a synical, and negative guy, in the best respects.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Evil Drew M &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

And this has exactly WHAT to do with cornering physics?

I am not sure if you read the thread from the beginning or not but we aren't talking about drag racing - and we never were.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i know that you idiot. i'm not just talking abouty the track....there are times when you power shift on the street also....but if you want more examples........take the off ramp or on ramp to the highway for example....with the traction bars the corner is much smoother than with out.....it's kind of another way of putting an lsd in your car.....when you go over a pot hole or a bump....without the bars the car had more dip or hop.....since the bar the front of the car is way more rigid....they have been using traction bars in autocross for a long time now so no it's not just for drag racing

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by slammed_93_hatch &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">if you start reading post here more you will come to learn that, evil drew m is a synical, and negative guy, in the best respects.</TD></TR></TABLE>
no he is just an idiot

 

so was the orginal POSTER of this topic....since we discussed it in LENGTH about 6 months ago when he asked in person why i didn't run them on my h1 car!!!!!

DUH for daniel not listening....

 

hahaaha

I didn't remember that discussion until you mintioned it

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by bull2k4 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i know that you idiot. i'm not just talking abouty the track....there are times when you power shift on the street also....but if you want more examples........take the off ramp or on ramp to the highway for example....with the traction bars the corner is much smoother than with out.....it's kind of another way of putting an lsd in your car.....when you go over a pot hole or a bump....without the bars the car had more dip or hop.....since the bar the front of the car is way more rigid....they have been using traction bars in autocross for a long time now so no it's not just for drag racing </TD></TR></TABLE>

Please post your address, I am going to send you some cookies.

 

lol