thoughts on these 2 intake systems- better to stay w/ the stock box, spoon duct& filter..or replace the whole unit w/ mugen's setup...performance gains ( i.e butt dyno's or real charts) good places to compare prices...or just stay stock...etc.

 

i was wondering the same thing since spoon is kinda cheap

 

filters on a stick make more power but don't look as pretty and are loud. They are less expensive too than both the spoon duct and mugen intake.

 

Mugen requires cutting the inside of your hood to make it fit = BOO.

Spoon requires no cutting, and its much nicer looking IMO.

From a standstill, you probably won't feel any gains. You can however at hiway speeds when you have a bit of ram air effect going on....

 

spoon does require cutting the air guide for the radiator....when i had mine installed i had to use a dremel to cut that damn thing....

too bad for guys like me that live on the east coast we cant use the "filter on a stick" due to the damn weather and the fact that it floods in my town all the damn time....this week i swear i drove thru a lake with my car...if i had an aem i wouldnt have an s2k n e more

when i had my spoon air duct...i didnt realyl feel any gains except when on the highway...during regular driving i did feel better throttle response and not to mention the heat soak issue...

 

Spoon duct = ghetto

Mugen intake = nicely done

 

what's ghetto about it?

a dryer hose is ghetto, carbon kevlar is not.

 

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u r crazy...spoon air duct serves its purpose....spoon air duct with upgrade air filter and moded air box is a great intake.....mugen & j's is a lil better IMO because it doesnt have that pinch like the spoon does

 

Sorry, but the Spoon unit is child's play. You can't begin to compare it to the Mugen design.

 

lol, compare designs?

The duct portion is virtually identical! And the filter/tube assembly can't be that much more efficient than the stock unit.

 

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Mugen must've done something right in the design of theirs....they are the only company I've seen to "create positive manifold pressure" with an intake system.

I've no graphs, photos etc to prove that theory, but, something must be working right for them.

 

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Really? It doesn't take a brain child to figure this one out. oh, and not to mention ~$400 for the Spoon CAI ($200 for knock offs) vs. $1500 for the Mugen should give you an idea of what you are dealing with here. The intake itself is replaced, not modified with the Mugen. The Spoon is a low cost CAI that is *very* effective on the track and high speeds. Don't expect gains under 70mph. You will not see them.

As for the stock intake, sure it works quite well. Actually, look at other intakes on various cars that do not have an S2000 badge on them. Their intakes are back by the exhaust (cold starts, etc.) or other odd places. There really isn't a car that I can think of at the moment that has a similar 'ram air' type of intake that the S does - even if it is lead into a box.

Sure, the Mugen is great - but it is damn expensive, especially for the minimal gains that you will receive. Oh, and you will not even notice them. If you are out there playing on the streets, you can say: "ooh, after $1500 spent, now I am a foot in front of my friend with an S2000 when racing between lights going a mere 50 mph." *shakes head* Let me guess... $1500 for wide open throttle for a mere 4 seconds?

 

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I'm sure someone out there has a mugen intake and a VAFC who can prove or disprove it.

Because if their design does in fact create positve pressure, then there's no reason why other ducts don't.

 

http://www.kingmotorsports.com...S2000

"Saves 5 lbs of weight and develops positive manifold pressure at speed. Carbon fiber construction."

 

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Really? It doesn't take a brain child to figure this one out. oh, and not to mention ~$400 for the Spoon CAI ($200 for knock offs) vs. $1500 for the Mugen should give you an idea of what you are dealing with here. The intake itself is replaced, not modified with the Mugen. The Spoon is a low cost CAI that is *very* effective on the track and high speeds. Don't expect gains under 70mph. You will not see them.
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So what do you have in your back pocket to show that the Spoon ghetto unit is "very effective on the track and high speeds"? Any white papers from Spoon even? You import boy hairsplitting nerds crack me up.

Cuz I can show you what Mugen has to say about their unit and their testing.

 

yo man...the spoon does help with throttle response greatly and reduces the heat soak issue....the spoon unit is effective for that reason....in regards to actually gaining a lot of power...i dont feel that any intake like a spoon, mugen or j's will show any gains unless on a track or highway where a constant air flow is going inside the tunnel of the unit.....i still dont see how the mugen even gets the same amount of air flow due to the fact the bumper is sorta cover in the intake passage...if u had the SS bumper or alex air duct

 

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Really? Or are you just imagining things? Especially on your first point. WoooooEeeeeOoooooh

 

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5-6mph gain on the front straight of TWS, thus hitting 133-134 range instead of 128.

 

wow so you did that on multiple runs under the same conditions with the same car with the same driver with the same setup with the duct on and then off? w/ real timing equipment in the same distance... and you attribute all that extra speed to the duct?

and with multiple cars with the same setup to make sure it's not some freak accident?

if so, i'm sold!

 

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YES!!!! im serious....blip the throttle during a hot *** day like in the 90's and u will def notice a difference...or even driving in stop and go traffic...u will notice...i was pissed after i sold my spoon air duct...i really like the product on cold mornign and cold nights...u will notice a difference...this is also with an upgraded air filter and moded stock air box...that wall in the airbox has been chopped off and the air box was insulated

 

you know nothing about driving around a track, nor the conditions which were set when we tested this out. lots of factors can attribute to a slower or faster run, hence why I'm only pointing out the one straightaway.

this thread isn't about you being sold about a particular product, it's a discussion, which you are not contributing to in a constructive way - not even as a devil's advocate.

 

so your so-called attempt at evidence is at best a sloppy, internet poster boy job

thx

and btw this has nothing to do with track skills, driving skills. who cares. oh wait you do. u think you're fast and talented perhaps?

 

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fast? not the fastest, but definately up there. talented? not personally. instructor? yes.

stop pissing into the red herring box.

 

I owned the spoon duct myslef. and I have to say that while it looked good under the hood the performance was upsurdly horrible.. to think that they pinch the airflow to a jaw dropping .5"...

IMO the mugen intake it up to par due to the fact that they do not pinch the intake.. it is solid width all the way through.. that's why underhood cutting or running the mugen hood is necessary

 

up there with what? a shoe box?