Anyone have the wireing instructions for the Blue box on a 96+GSR? I searched and didnt see anything.

scott

 

Throw it in the garbage, use something - anything - else.

 

thats helpful....

 

couldn't find the GSR specific, but found http://turbocivic.net/files/96-98bluebox.gif - might be similar. I'm sure it probalby looks for the same wires. (injectors, injector ground, unit power and ground , map signal, etc...)

 

thankyou

 

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isnt the diagram for the 99-00 ex different?

 

ODB2a/OBD2b is a standardized pinout.

96-98 Civic = 96-99 Integra
99-00 Civic = 00-01 Integra

I believe there is a pin change for fuel pump power between OBD2b Civic and Integra.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mekkis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Throw it in the garbage, use something - anything - else.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Correct answer!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mekkis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Throw it in the garbage, use something - anything - else.</TD></TR></TABLE> so what do we recommend?

 

actually the blue box works really good. I have a 84.5mm C5 and I used 450 injectors with the blue box and it ran really good. Blue box is a good alternative to FMU or VAFC hack IMO.

scott

 

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No, it's no alternative at all.

FMU is junk in small injector/high ratio setups. Fuel prerssures are through the roof, causing the pump not to be able to keep up and thusly fuel pressures wander all over the place. You can call it "good," but hook a fuel pressure gauge into the works and it calls itself ****.

Here's why AFC hack sucks! https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=841443

So - what's my problem with the Greddy Gay Box? Care to elucidate on it's principle of operation, and why it's function is in the least desireable?

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Not posting to stunna forums about viable forms of engine management until you've perused http://www.pgmfi.org. No need for MCU programming mastery or extreme geekdom; you can get a good general grasp of what is available for free, how well it works and any possible bugs to be aware of, the costs to get set up, and what forums have been erected to take your n00b how-to Q's to. Invariably pgmfi.org solutions are cheaper than the shoddy hacks, their price is your education.

Strangely, scooter lives 22 miles from Uberdata's author! B loves it when you show up out of the blue, bearing two plain McD's double cheeseburgers. Want his home address?

 

what a waste of my life reading your post. you need to re-read what I wrote. I said the blue box is a good alternative to a FMU or the AFC hack, which means: I dont like the hack or FMU. I hate explaining stuff.

Also I dont see the point of saying that I live close to Uberdata's author? I dont know the person in question either. enlighten me.

scott

 

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So you don't understand how the Gay Box works, but you'll stand by it 100%. What a waste of my life reading that babble.

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So you can bring Blake plain McDonald's double cheeseburgers. Duh.

 

if you consider spam to be a good alternative to ham, I will be able to see how you think a Greddy blue box is a good alternative to other hacks.

 

burntpcb: you got the thread all wrong
burntpcb: this guy is an ITR owner
burntpcb: his sole purpose in life is to bring Blake plain McDonalds doublecheeseburgers, like some glorified over-hyped McDonald's employee
blundelld:
burntpcb: ah well
blundelld: oh so true

 

... and I was going to be subtle about it...

 

hehe.. this thread is funny..

http://www.pgmfi.org/ good read.

 

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scott</TD></TR></TABLE>

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST get blake a cheeseburger.

 

scooter, in response to your IM why I'm acting this way towards you, and if you've done anything that's pissed me off:

Piggybacks don't work. You cannot take a volumetric efficiency based speed density ECU, feed it LIES via a piggyback contraption to attain a desired AFR, and not have repercussions in the ignition, transient AFR, performance, etc, departments. The ECU is programmed to fulfill certain functions - how can it function in any sane way when it's recieving garbage data? How can you call anything of this manner "good"?

Not to get all Objectivist on you, but when you find one of your beliefs is invalid, you must go back and question your premise. I was trying to encourage you to re-evaluate your premises, and was told it was a waste of your time reading it. Forgive me if I don't just care to hand my knowledge out on a silver platter anymore, without the recipient evincing a modicum of effort directed towards the learning process. All I'm getting out of you at this moment is that logical thought is a waste of your time. Bottom line, I know how the principles of how the Gay Box works, I know how a Honda ECU responds to one, and you, sir, don't.

You want a chunk of my knowledge? Go refer to the Gay Box installation instructions. See what sensors are monitored/hijacked by it. Offer an explaination as to how the Gay Box works, and see if you can come up with any reasons why this is good/bad.

As to the ITR-slander. There are three archetypes of ITR owner, two of which are bad. The first is the ignorant little mommy's boy, with the condescending attitude. The second is the tightassed old man, with the condescending attitude. The third is the guy who works hard to own something cool, and tries to have a good attitude. I have you - roughly - placed in the third category; you've divorced yourself from the whole "it's worthless if it doesn't cost a million dollars" attitude the majority of ITR drones have, but that doesn't mean a cheap alternative to engine management with a Brand Name attached to it is still Quality.

FWIW, I'd describe what I feel atm as annoyance, not anger. I may not be the most loveable person ever, but I try really hard to be right when I open my bigass pie hole.

 

I dont get why you feel the need to try to make me look like a dumbass. You have twisted everything I have said into food for your internet ego. I never said anywhere that I love the blue box, I said it was a good alternative for FMU or the hack. I say this because I have done all three and found the blue box to run the best out of these three.
Your original post was a cheap stab at my intelligence, as well as every other post after that.
The reason I IM'd you was to see if you would talk to me about it in private but alas the internet bully has emerged.
I dont really care what you have to say simply because of the manner in which it is said.


Piggy backs do work, just maybe not to your liking.

scott

 

Take me and how I handled a response to you however you wish - after last nights antics I felt an explaination was due to anyone who wanted one.

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Hope your ITR engine lasts a while, just trying to save you a few thousand.

 

ok so they all suck. what i want to no is what do u guys use (jdavis-mekis) and what would u recommend i use. i have a 2000 civic ex with greddy kit,310cc rc inj,d16y8 motor. and i would like to stay obd2. thanks

 

I recommend a stand alone of some nature.

The prices range from inexpensive: convert to OBD1 and run Uberdata, which is mostly a tune-it yourself venture; moderately priced: Hyundaidata which you take to a professional tuenar, which also requires OBD1 conversion/ecu; and somewhat pricey for AEM EMS (tune yourself or take to a tuenar) or Hyundaidata with all the options so you can tune it yourself. There are also a bunch of other options such as Motec, Speedpro, etc, which I won't get into as they are more aimed at racecars (AEM EMS is sort of a race ECU, too, but works fine on daily drivers).

Keep in mind that buying a wideband, OBD conversion harness, chipping accessories, etc, and everything required for Uberdata is going to cost every bit as much as buying base model Hyundaidata and having someone else tune it. In the short term, you may be more comfortable with the Hyundaidata route, but you learn so damn much running Uberdata that it's very rewarding... and you have all the tools at hand to retune your car as the setup changes, or to tune other ppls's cars.

 

well i heard aem ems is crap too but i assume its still alot better than the emanage.
what does the aem go for?

 

EMS isn't crap, it's just more difficult for n00bs and Tuenarboi wannabes to tune than Hyundaidata or Uber.

I think prices are over $1100 for the EMS, dunno, I don't buy them.

 

I'd say wendy's but JD has yet to EVER be wrong