Just installed my b16a into my crx dx, but the front mount on the b16a is about 1.5 inches off of the front mount on the crossmember. My mechanic said he can fabricate one and weld it on for $80 or so... is it really worth it? Do you NEED the front mount. He said i do... just wondered what everyone else does?


Modified by Matrix_Zero at 3:58 PM 7/26/2004

 

what mounts are you using? i no one really uses a front mount.
-joe

 

i am just looking at the stock b16a front tranny mount. My stock dx engine had one and it of course just bolted up. I assumed the b16a front tranny mount would bolt up in the same place as none of the kits came with a front tranny mount. But it doesn't line up the same.

Does anyone else use all 4 motor mounts(d-side p-side, rear tranny mount, and front tranny mount?

Or do you just leave off the front tranny mount?


Modified by Matrix_Zero at 3:58 PM 7/26/2004

 

most kits use three mounts

 

HCP engineering mount kits use 4 mounts LIKE HONDA DESIGNED THE CAR TO USE

 

i dont know what kind of hcp mounts you have but they only come with three. d side p side and rear... no front

 

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But a b16a does have a front mount and is designed to have one... Any stock crx engine is designed to have a front mount. Many mounting kits omit this mount. And threfore many people do not use one. So i suppose my question is has anyone had asverse effects on not having a front mount?



Modified by Matrix_Zero at 3:58 PM 7/26/2004

 

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on the new kits the 4th mount is optional smart ***

 

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But a b16a does have a front mount and is designed to have one... Any stock crx engine is designed to have a front mount. Many mounting kits omit this mount. And threfore many people do not use one. So i suppose my question is has anyone had asverse effects on not having a front mount?
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http://www.hcpengineering.com

go there the EF18x kit is the one you want you can run it with 3 or spend the extra money and get the 4th, honda designed the CRX chassis w/ 4 mounts stock, why **** with honda's design?

 

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http://www.hcpengineering.com

go there the EF18x kit is the one you want you can run it with 3 or spend the extra money and get the 4th, honda designed the CRX chassis w/ 4 mounts stock, why **** with honda's design?</TD></TR></TABLE> 3 mounts is working for me no adverse affects...

 

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no one ever said it wouldnt work.....its a design issue

 

I am using the PR mounts and got the fourth mount just as a safety issue

with the shifting and power I got u need it

but it also looks stock and nothing missing to me

if u are running stock mounts I high recommend u getting that mount fabed in there

but if it is aftermarket kit u should be coo until u get to upgrading some major performance stuff

 

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AND HONDA DESIGNED THE CAR TO BE COMFORTABLE FOR THE 'AVERAGE CONSUMER' no one is going to buy a new car that has cockpit vibration - so they used two soft mounts instead of one hard one.

3 mounts with a harder compound is all you need and is perfectly fine.
4 soft (stock) mounts if you are a ***** and drive like a *****
or 4 hard mounts if you are pushing some really crazy power and like to get a massage while you race your race car down the track

The only way i'd use 3 stock mounts is with Energy Suspension inserts..when i had my ZC i chucked the front mount and just used inserts for the rear one. If your running around on 3 stock mounts you'll rip the rear one very quickly (unless you use inserts..)

Look at HASport.. you can't go wrong.

Hope this helps.

 

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AND HONDA DESIGNED THE CAR TO BE COMFORTABLE FOR THE 'AVERAGE CONSUMER' no one is going to buy a new car that has cockpit vibration - so they used two soft mounts instead of one hard one.

3 mounts with a harder compound is all you need and is perfectly fine.
4 soft (stock) mounts if you are a ***** and drive like a *****
or 4 hard mounts if you are pushing some really crazy power and like to get a massage while you race your race car down the track

The only way i'd use 3 stock mounts is with Energy Suspension inserts..when i had my ZC i chucked the front mount and just used inserts for the rear one. If your running around on 3 stock mounts you'll rip the rear one very quickly (unless you use inserts..)

Look at HASport.. you can't go wrong.

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yes lets **** with honda engineering because you said so...w00 w00

 

The 4th mount is there for a reason

 

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hcp street kit uses just 3 cause it uses a harder compound. for race cars they recommend the race kit that has 4. I've installed 3 street kits and can tell you that the mounts are stiff. I wouldn't see why you would need 4 unless its a race car. and yes honda designed it with four but its for comfort issure since their mounts are soft.

 

I'm using the hasport kit which comes with 3 mounts. I could care less about a front mount. The car and the engine both feel really solid. Maybe too solid actually...or maybe that's just all the energry suspension bushings + really stiff shocks//springs combined with the hasport mounts. I don't know.

 

More is still better , you are just jealous my car came stock with a crossmember for the front B-serie mount hehehe

 

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then keep your car stock fool.

 

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yes lets **** with honda engineering because you said so...w00 w00
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honda engineering never intended for a b series engine to be in the USDM CRX/civic 88-91 chassis SMART ***.

 

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honda engineering never intended for a b series engine to be in the USDM CRX/civic 88-91 chassis SMART ***.</TD></TR></TABLE>


you are right, they didnt, and guess what if you DO intend on trying to "improve" on a design why not stick with what they started with IE 4 mounts, oh wait thats not necessary....stupid me for thinking honda designed their cars how they did for a reason.....maybe you guys should go work for honda's engineering department

 

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didn't know Honda designed the USDM CRXs to have B-Series engines.

 

maybe?

 

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hmmm... Honda also designed the CRX with window cranks and lousy theft preventation.

Honda also designed the CRX with lousy AC line routing.

Honda also designed the CRX SI w/ a sunroof as standard equipment... not even an option to have a slick top.


just because honda designed it, doesn't mean it's a SMART design.

 

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never modify your car ever cause it "***** with honda engineering".

You know your brakes? Designed to work with the stock oem wheels and tyres originally provided.

You know your suspension? designed to work with the stock ride height, wheel selection, and tyres.

your driveaxles, designed to function at the specific ride height that was specified by Honda.

Every bolt on the car, designed to be torqued down to specification, including your air box, your valve cover nuts, even your grounding cables.