ATS 4.9 with ATS 1st gear.
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Re: (rough_draft)
WERE? 
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=117202
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=116254
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=114433
thats all i come up with.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=117202
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=116254
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=114433
thats all i come up with.
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Re: (rough_draft)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rough_draft »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">HERE 
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=930529
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=520608
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=466021
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=300231
search for more</TD></TR></TABLE>
JoO NeEd To ReAd Da TiTlE bEtTa,
Cause he asked: "ATS 4.9 with ATS 1st"?
And honestly I dunno anyone around here that has or does.
[EDITED for my own stupidity]
The ATS close ratio gears:
http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/ats-p...shtml
And the ATS 4.929 FD:
http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/ats-p...shtml
And a nice gearing calculator for you to play with:
http://reverendsgarage.net/ind...r.php
Modified by 1GreyTeg at 1:10 PM 7/23/2004
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=930529
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=520608
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=466021
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=300231
search for more</TD></TR></TABLE>
JoO NeEd To ReAd Da TiTlE bEtTa,
Cause he asked: "ATS 4.9 with ATS 1st"?
And honestly I dunno anyone around here that has or does.
[EDITED for my own stupidity]
The ATS close ratio gears:
http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/ats-p...shtml
And the ATS 4.929 FD:
http://www.a-t-s-usa.com/ats-p...shtml
And a nice gearing calculator for you to play with:
http://reverendsgarage.net/ind...r.php
Modified by 1GreyTeg at 1:10 PM 7/23/2004
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there are.. i found them by... searching
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=636988
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=149461
also, you have to install the 1st gear along with the ATS final drive because the USDM 1st doesn't fit, the ATS counter shaft is a different size outer diameter. The ATS final drive kit should have everythign you need.
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=636988
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=149461
also, you have to install the 1st gear along with the ATS final drive because the USDM 1st doesn't fit, the ATS counter shaft is a different size outer diameter. The ATS final drive kit should have everythign you need.
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Re: (rough_draft)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rough_draft »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">there are.. i found them by... searching
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=636988
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=149461</TD></TR></TABLE>
So you can cop an attitude, pipe up and mention to Search but have nothing else helpful to contribute?
Great.
I think it was all covered in both the posts you listed.
Modified by 1GreyTeg at 1:11 PM 7/23/2004
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=636988
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=149461</TD></TR></TABLE>
So you can cop an attitude, pipe up and mention to Search but have nothing else helpful to contribute?
Great.
I think it was all covered in both the posts you listed.
Modified by 1GreyTeg at 1:11 PM 7/23/2004
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Re: (1GreyTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
JoO NeEd To ReAd Da TiTlE bEtTa,
Cause he asked: "ATS 4.9 with ATS 1st"?
And honestly I dunno anyone around here that has or does.
The addition of the 4.929 already makes the 1st gear rip, heck I'd even like it if it was a tad longer not shorter which is what would happen with the 4.93 and their 1st.
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thats what i was thinking but it seems like if you have a stock set up you probably wont need the longer 1st.
JoO NeEd To ReAd Da TiTlE bEtTa,
Cause he asked: "ATS 4.9 with ATS 1st"?
And honestly I dunno anyone around here that has or does.
The addition of the 4.929 already makes the 1st gear rip, heck I'd even like it if it was a tad longer not shorter which is what would happen with the 4.93 and their 1st.
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thats what i was thinking but it seems like if you have a stock set up you probably wont need the longer 1st.
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Re: (rough_draft)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
also, you have to install the 1st gear along with the ATS final drive because the USDM 1st doesn't fit, the ATS counter shaft is a different size outer diameter. The ATS final drive kit should have everythign you need.
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actually, you can get the jdm 1st gear (which usually comes with the ATS final drive - and retain the same ratio as stock usdm 1st gear.
The point of getting ats first is to bring the 1-2 shift closer together.
I believe Mike K has tried it a LONG time ago.....
I'd like to think that one day I'll be trying the ATS 1st, 3,4,5 gears as well.....
also, you have to install the 1st gear along with the ATS final drive because the USDM 1st doesn't fit, the ATS counter shaft is a different size outer diameter. The ATS final drive kit should have everythign you need.
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actually, you can get the jdm 1st gear (which usually comes with the ATS final drive - and retain the same ratio as stock usdm 1st gear.
The point of getting ats first is to bring the 1-2 shift closer together.
I believe Mike K has tried it a LONG time ago.....
I'd like to think that one day I'll be trying the ATS 1st, 3,4,5 gears as well.....
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And honestly I dunno anyone around here that has or does.
The addition of the 4.929 already makes the 1st gear rip, heck I'd even like it if it was a tad longer not shorter which is what would happen with the 4.93 and their 1st.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The ATS 1st is longer than stock, is it not?
And honestly I dunno anyone around here that has or does.
The addition of the 4.929 already makes the 1st gear rip, heck I'd even like it if it was a tad longer not shorter which is what would happen with the 4.93 and their 1st.
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The ATS 1st is longer than stock, is it not?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by db8sirg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
thats what i was thinking but it seems like if you have a stock set up you probably wont need the longer 1st.</TD></TR></TABLE>
My car is still stockish or whatever and sometimes I wish I had a taller 1st gear, but mostly only for launching at autocrosses. But it's not that huge of an issue.
Now if you had a more agressive setup or some more serious power either NA or FI the 1st gear becomes a spinning gear and again almost useless and something you'd short shift through, and even with the ATS 1st it can still be useless.
These days I've been wishing for a more agressive 5th gear but that would limit top speed too much and the available gears out there don't fit into my scheme of things all that well.
Funny thinking of those I know who went to a GSR 5th
thats what i was thinking but it seems like if you have a stock set up you probably wont need the longer 1st.</TD></TR></TABLE>
My car is still stockish or whatever and sometimes I wish I had a taller 1st gear, but mostly only for launching at autocrosses. But it's not that huge of an issue.
Now if you had a more agressive setup or some more serious power either NA or FI the 1st gear becomes a spinning gear and again almost useless and something you'd short shift through, and even with the ATS 1st it can still be useless.
These days I've been wishing for a more agressive 5th gear but that would limit top speed too much and the available gears out there don't fit into my scheme of things all that well.
Funny thinking of those I know who went to a GSR 5th
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 743 y0! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
The ATS 1st is longer than stock, is it not?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ya know what, my stupidity, I take it back, you're right, I was lookin and thinkin of their close ratio 3rd 4th and 5th gears.
But as an aside the OLD ATS 1st was the one We were all interested in at one time when it was 2.929 as opposed to the new 3.077
But I till don't think it's all that worth it for the new one.
I'd still just stick with the stock R 1st.
The ATS 1st is longer than stock, is it not?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ya know what, my stupidity, I take it back, you're right, I was lookin and thinkin of their close ratio 3rd 4th and 5th gears.
But as an aside the OLD ATS 1st was the one We were all interested in at one time when it was 2.929 as opposed to the new 3.077
But I till don't think it's all that worth it for the new one.
I'd still just stick with the stock R 1st.
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Re: (1GreyTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 1GreyTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
So you can cop an attitude, pipe up and mention to Search but have nothing else helpful to contribute?
Great.
I think it was all covered in both the posts you listed but as I already mentioned above before, the combination of the 4.929 and the ATS 1st is overkill at least and depending on setup could render 1st gear totally worthless.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i wasn't trying to throw out some attitude.
the ATS first gear is 3.077 if i remember correctly.
So you can cop an attitude, pipe up and mention to Search but have nothing else helpful to contribute?
Great.
I think it was all covered in both the posts you listed but as I already mentioned above before, the combination of the 4.929 and the ATS 1st is overkill at least and depending on setup could render 1st gear totally worthless.</TD></TR></TABLE>
i wasn't trying to throw out some attitude.
the ATS first gear is 3.077 if i remember correctly.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rough_draft »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
i wasn't trying to throw out some attitude.
the ATS first gear is 3.077 if i remember correctly.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok then, but the way you posted for him to just search wasn't an overwhelming assist.
But on the other hand me forgetting the 1st gear ratio and whatnot didn't make me any better so I think it's even.
i wasn't trying to throw out some attitude.
the ATS first gear is 3.077 if i remember correctly.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok then, but the way you posted for him to just search wasn't an overwhelming assist.
But on the other hand me forgetting the 1st gear ratio and whatnot didn't make me any better so I think it's even.
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I just bought a trans with an ats 3.0 first gear, and an ats 4.9 final drive. Ill let you guys know what its like. Its not in an itr trans, its in a ys1 b16 cable trans built by gear speed with carbon synchros ect....
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Here's a quick graph with the stock R gears with a 4.929 FD on 195/55/15 tires:
Total gearing in first gear:
Maximum speed in first gear: 15.92067
36.5 mph
Total gearing in second gear:
Maximum speed in second gear: 10.375545
56 mph
Total gearing in third gear:
Maximum speed in third gear: 7.186482
80.8 mph
Total gearing in fourth gear:
Maximum speed in fourth gear: 5.456403
106.4 mph
Total gearing in fifth gear:
Maximum speed in fifth gear: 4.179792
138.9 mph
And here with the ATS 1st gear, same 2nd to 5th R gearing and the 4.929 FD and 195/55/15 tires:
Total gearing in first gear:
Maximum speed in first gear: 15.166533
38.3 mph
And here with the 4.929 FD, with ATS OLD 2.929 1st (which way back when the posts were made above was the one we all did consider) and stock R 2nd to 5th on 195/55/15 tires:
Total gearing in first gear:
Maximum speed in first gear: 14.437041
40.2 mph
I've driven rodneys car with the old 2.929 1st gear and while it helps, it is still almost a useless gear with his setup. But the old 1st was the one we wanted, then it was discontinued. I think rodney actually got one of the last ones on Yasu's shelf.
Total gearing in first gear:
Maximum speed in first gear: 15.92067
36.5 mph
Total gearing in second gear:
Maximum speed in second gear: 10.375545
56 mph
Total gearing in third gear:
Maximum speed in third gear: 7.186482
80.8 mph
Total gearing in fourth gear:
Maximum speed in fourth gear: 5.456403
106.4 mph
Total gearing in fifth gear:
Maximum speed in fifth gear: 4.179792
138.9 mph
And here with the ATS 1st gear, same 2nd to 5th R gearing and the 4.929 FD and 195/55/15 tires:
Total gearing in first gear:
Maximum speed in first gear: 15.166533
38.3 mph
And here with the 4.929 FD, with ATS OLD 2.929 1st (which way back when the posts were made above was the one we all did consider) and stock R 2nd to 5th on 195/55/15 tires:
Total gearing in first gear:
Maximum speed in first gear: 14.437041
40.2 mph
I've driven rodneys car with the old 2.929 1st gear and while it helps, it is still almost a useless gear with his setup. But the old 1st was the one we wanted, then it was discontinued. I think rodney actually got one of the last ones on Yasu's shelf.
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