H22A H22 208WHP Dyno
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H22A H22 208WHP Dyno
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H22A Dyno Graph at Church Automotive Testing on a Dynapack
The car runs way better. Waiting to take my car to the tracks again, and hopefully dip into the low 13s.
JDM H22A Motor
R&D CNC Ported Head
Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts
Adjustable Cam Gears
Upgraded Valvetrain
Stock Block
Cold Air Intake
DC Sports Header
Greddy Exhaust
Stock JDM Block w/ 10.6:1 Compression Pistons
Hondata S200
NGK Temperature 7 Spark Plugs
Right after VTEC, the torque dips down at a considerable amount.
Shawn at Church Automotive Testing told me that I have a restriction somewhere and that my engine cannot breathe at high RPMs, and that I should look into improving the intake manifold, throttle body, and header. With those problems fixed, he predicts 220WHP+ is possible.
What do you guys think?
DC Sports Header is probably killing me big time. Time to look into a new header, maybe Prospeed/AN-R.
Skunk2 Intake Manifold is almost out, they are now taking pre-orders. I wonder if it'll fit on an H22A Civic.
H22A Dyno Graph at Church Automotive Testing on a Dynapack
The car runs way better. Waiting to take my car to the tracks again, and hopefully dip into the low 13s.
JDM H22A Motor
R&D CNC Ported Head
Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts
Adjustable Cam Gears
Upgraded Valvetrain
Stock Block
Cold Air Intake
DC Sports Header
Greddy Exhaust
Stock JDM Block w/ 10.6:1 Compression Pistons
Hondata S200
NGK Temperature 7 Spark Plugs
Right after VTEC, the torque dips down at a considerable amount.
Shawn at Church Automotive Testing told me that I have a restriction somewhere and that my engine cannot breathe at high RPMs, and that I should look into improving the intake manifold, throttle body, and header. With those problems fixed, he predicts 220WHP+ is possible.
What do you guys think?
DC Sports Header is probably killing me big time. Time to look into a new header, maybe Prospeed/AN-R.
Skunk2 Intake Manifold is almost out, they are now taking pre-orders. I wonder if it'll fit on an H22A Civic.
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Re: H22A H22 208WHP Dyno (11sec.ALL MOTOR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by All-Motor H22A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=924714
H22A Dyno Graph at Church Automotive Testing on a Dynapack
The car runs way better. Waiting to take my car to the tracks again, and hopefully dip into the low 13s.
JDM H22A Motor
R&D CNC Ported Head
Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts
Adjustable Cam Gears
Upgraded Valvetrain
Stock Block
Cold Air Intake
DC Sports Header
Greddy Exhaust
Stock JDM Block w/ 10.6:1 Compression Pistons
Hondata S200
NGK Temperature 7 Spark Plugs
Right after VTEC, the torque dips down at a considerable amount.
Shawn at Church Automotive Testing told me that I have a restriction somewhere and that my engine cannot breathe at high RPMs, and that I should look into improving the intake manifold, throttle body, and header. With those problems fixed, he predicts 220WHP+ is possible.
What do you guys think?
DC Sports Header is probably killing me big time. Time to look into a new header, maybe Prospeed/AN-R.
Skunk2 Intake Manifold is almost out, they are now taking pre-orders. I wonder if it'll fit on an H22A Civic.
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is that 1\4 mile time with your 208whp? good numbers
H22A Dyno Graph at Church Automotive Testing on a Dynapack
The car runs way better. Waiting to take my car to the tracks again, and hopefully dip into the low 13s.
JDM H22A Motor
R&D CNC Ported Head
Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts
Adjustable Cam Gears
Upgraded Valvetrain
Stock Block
Cold Air Intake
DC Sports Header
Greddy Exhaust
Stock JDM Block w/ 10.6:1 Compression Pistons
Hondata S200
NGK Temperature 7 Spark Plugs
Right after VTEC, the torque dips down at a considerable amount.
Shawn at Church Automotive Testing told me that I have a restriction somewhere and that my engine cannot breathe at high RPMs, and that I should look into improving the intake manifold, throttle body, and header. With those problems fixed, he predicts 220WHP+ is possible.
What do you guys think?
DC Sports Header is probably killing me big time. Time to look into a new header, maybe Prospeed/AN-R.
Skunk2 Intake Manifold is almost out, they are now taking pre-orders. I wonder if it'll fit on an H22A Civic.
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is that 1\4 mile time with your 208whp? good numbers
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Re: H22A H22 208WHP Dyno (All-Motor H22A)
Impressive numbers. Do you have AC/PS (parasitic loss)? And since I am waiting on Skunk2 st2's, how would you say the idle was affected by the cams?
What ECU are you running (p28/p72)? From the dyno graph it looks like you're using a P28 and not controlling the IAB's, which causes the dip right after VTEC xover. More air flowing with the more agressive cam profile while the IM is not flowing at 100% capacity. Eventually the vacuum and air speed seem to open the up the shorter runners, achieving those peak numbers.
IIRC, the Type-S and Euro-R manifolds are a little longer longitudinally, and if you're using a mount kit like HCP where the stock IM is damn near hitting the dashboard, I doubt it would fit. The Skunk2 IM seems very similar to the OEM Honda one (kinda like the B-series one being a copy of the OEM ITR) so the chances of it fitting your car might be hurting :/
Either way the numbers seem pretty good. I've seen a couple of JRSC H22's at 6# barely pull off better numbers than that... untuned of course.
Adi
What ECU are you running (p28/p72)? From the dyno graph it looks like you're using a P28 and not controlling the IAB's, which causes the dip right after VTEC xover. More air flowing with the more agressive cam profile while the IM is not flowing at 100% capacity. Eventually the vacuum and air speed seem to open the up the shorter runners, achieving those peak numbers.
IIRC, the Type-S and Euro-R manifolds are a little longer longitudinally, and if you're using a mount kit like HCP where the stock IM is damn near hitting the dashboard, I doubt it would fit. The Skunk2 IM seems very similar to the OEM Honda one (kinda like the B-series one being a copy of the OEM ITR) so the chances of it fitting your car might be hurting :/
Either way the numbers seem pretty good. I've seen a couple of JRSC H22's at 6# barely pull off better numbers than that... untuned of course.
Adi
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Re: H22A H22 208WHP Dyno (All-Motor H22A)
Awesome results Yeah that DC header is killing you so is the stock compression. S2S2's require atleast 12.1 compression to give good results.
Yeah that DC header is killing you so is the stock compression. S2S2's require atleast 12.1 compression to give good results.
Re: H22A H22 208WHP Dyno (SpdFrk)
so this motor on a dyno jet would make about 180 correct? ive read because something about hub horsepower v.s at thewheels... the dyno pack reads much higher due to no wheels weight and the friction between the wheels and the ground....
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Re: H22A H22 208WHP Dyno (h22dude)
Wow with 207 whp you should be in the 12's. Well once you get the VTEC power loss gone.
I noticed you only have a 101 mph trap speed, I know Ranta18 with 210 whp traps 110. With that power you should be trapping nicely next time you go to the track.
PS: Get rid of that DC header!
I noticed you only have a 101 mph trap speed, I know Ranta18 with 210 whp traps 110. With that power you should be trapping nicely next time you go to the track.
PS: Get rid of that DC header!
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Re: H22A H22 208WHP Dyno (h22dude)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22dude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so this motor on a dyno jet would make about 180 correct? ive read because something about hub horsepower v.s at thewheels... the dyno pack reads much higher due to no wheels weight and the friction between the wheels and the ground....</TD></TR></TABLE>
uhm...
Some tuners say that when set up properly a dynapack will yield very similar numbers to a dynojet, while others will say the difference is about 10whp. not 30whp.
uhm...
Some tuners say that when set up properly a dynapack will yield very similar numbers to a dynojet, while others will say the difference is about 10whp. not 30whp.
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Yeah, i just made a thread with my dyno numbers from church's a few days back and i put out 197, and someone suggested i was really at 175. Close to a 30hp loss just by bolting on the wheels? i dont think so.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LsVtec92Hatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">nice numbers man, isnt shawn such a cool guy?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yes, Shawn is pretty cool guy. He has a nice S2000 too.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quick99Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Impressive numbers. Do you have AC/PS (parasitic loss)? And since I am waiting on Skunk2 st2's, how would you say the idle was affected by the cams?
What ECU are you running (p28/p72)? From the dyno graph it looks like you're using a P28 and not controlling the IAB's, which causes the dip right after VTEC xover. More air flowing with the more agressive cam profile while the IM is not flowing at 100% capacity. Eventually the vacuum and air speed seem to open the up the shorter runners, achieving those peak numbers.
Adi</TD></TR></TABLE>
No A/C or P/S are hooked up. I'm actually running a P28 ECU w/o control of IAB. In fact, the IABs have been removed.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22dude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so this motor on a dyno jet would make about 180 correct? ive read because something about hub horsepower v.s at thewheels... the dyno pack reads much higher due to no wheels weight and the friction between the wheels and the ground....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Before I added the Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts, I was at 188WHP on a Dynojet. After camshafts, I'm making 208WHP on a Dynapack.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pat McGroin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow with 207 whp you should be in the 12's. Well once you get the VTEC power loss gone.
I noticed you only have a 101 mph trap speed, I know Ranta18 with 210 whp traps 110. With that power you should be trapping nicely next time you go to the track.
PS: Get rid of that DC header!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, right now I'm running a Coupe, not a Hatchback. Hopefully, the Skunk2 IM fits in an H22A Civic, and a modified DC Sports Header will help with my lack of torque right after VTEC.
Yes, Shawn is pretty cool guy. He has a nice S2000 too.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Quick99Si »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Impressive numbers. Do you have AC/PS (parasitic loss)? And since I am waiting on Skunk2 st2's, how would you say the idle was affected by the cams?
What ECU are you running (p28/p72)? From the dyno graph it looks like you're using a P28 and not controlling the IAB's, which causes the dip right after VTEC xover. More air flowing with the more agressive cam profile while the IM is not flowing at 100% capacity. Eventually the vacuum and air speed seem to open the up the shorter runners, achieving those peak numbers.
Adi</TD></TR></TABLE>
No A/C or P/S are hooked up. I'm actually running a P28 ECU w/o control of IAB. In fact, the IABs have been removed.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by h22dude »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so this motor on a dyno jet would make about 180 correct? ive read because something about hub horsepower v.s at thewheels... the dyno pack reads much higher due to no wheels weight and the friction between the wheels and the ground....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Before I added the Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts, I was at 188WHP on a Dynojet. After camshafts, I'm making 208WHP on a Dynapack.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Pat McGroin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow with 207 whp you should be in the 12's. Well once you get the VTEC power loss gone.
I noticed you only have a 101 mph trap speed, I know Ranta18 with 210 whp traps 110. With that power you should be trapping nicely next time you go to the track.
PS: Get rid of that DC header!</TD></TR></TABLE>
Well, right now I'm running a Coupe, not a Hatchback. Hopefully, the Skunk2 IM fits in an H22A Civic, and a modified DC Sports Header will help with my lack of torque right after VTEC.
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Re: (All-Motor H22A)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by All-Motor H22A »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Before I added the Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts, I was at 188WHP on a Dynojet. After camshafts, I'm making 208WHP on a Dynapack.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok so you gained about 20hp with the addition of those cams and tuning. Now using shawns 8-10hp loss compared to a dynojet, you are probably around 198 to the wheels right now, a 10hp increase. Just where you should be with that compression and some tuning. Now do these numbers make sense oh dynapack doubters? It really helps that you got dyno'ed on a dyno jet just before this, the #'s look very realistic and possible.
to people at the their 30whp difference claims on a dynapack.
Before I added the Skunk2 Stage II Camshafts, I was at 188WHP on a Dynojet. After camshafts, I'm making 208WHP on a Dynapack.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Ok so you gained about 20hp with the addition of those cams and tuning. Now using shawns 8-10hp loss compared to a dynojet, you are probably around 198 to the wheels right now, a 10hp increase. Just where you should be with that compression and some tuning. Now do these numbers make sense oh dynapack doubters? It really helps that you got dyno'ed on a dyno jet just before this, the #'s look very realistic and possible.
to people at the their 30whp difference claims on a dynapack.
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Re: (All-Motor H22A)
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Well, right now I'm running a Coupe, not a Hatchback. Hopefully, the Skunk2 IM fits in an H22A Civic, and a modified DC Sports Header will help with my lack of torque right after VTEC.
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The weight difference can't be that big right? I'm also waiting to find out if the Skunk2 IM will fit in an H22A Civic.
Well, right now I'm running a Coupe, not a Hatchback. Hopefully, the Skunk2 IM fits in an H22A Civic, and a modified DC Sports Header will help with my lack of torque right after VTEC.
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The weight difference can't be that big right? I'm also waiting to find out if the Skunk2 IM will fit in an H22A Civic.
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you can do your thumbdown to me or whatever i dont really give a crap i was just stating what i had read if im wrong cool... NO where in my post did i say FOR A FACT its a 30hp loss did i? good day to you to buddy
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Re: H22A H22 208WHP Dyno (hcar)
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Will ITB's make power on a stock block motor with stock redline? I thought ITB's make you lose some low end, is it really worth it in this case?
Will ITB's make power on a stock block motor with stock redline? I thought ITB's make you lose some low end, is it really worth it in this case?
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