I recently got a year 2000 Accord EX V6
I would want to do a TT setup with T 28 ballbearing turbos
I was wondering what you guys thought of turboing the j30a1, is it worth it?

I have some money to play with but i know theres alot of custom work, like the manifolds, ic piping, and wondering if everything will fit, i searched and could not find anything about turboing this motor. The compression is 9:4:1 which is ample for boost.

Do you guys think its worth it? Or just throw cams , pulleys, "bolt ons " instead.

Thanks alot guys

~dan

 

Boost is not good for the auto tranny on the 6th gen Accords. The auto tranny is the weakiest link on that car and wouldnt do you very much. THere are replacements but they are really expensive. An option you can go for is get the 6spd swap from a CL-S. Visit http://www.v6performance.net for more v6 info. Theres also a few turbo CL-S' on http://www.acura-cl.com Theres a guy on there with a turbo cl-s runnin 5.5 psi and gettin massive hp. He said with 7-8 psi it should be 400+hp. Amazing!!!!!!!!

As far as bolt on's go. Get a Short ram, UR pulleys, comptech headers($1G), and some axle backs. If you get the CL-S cams get a VAFC to tune it too ro get a stand alone.


Modified by Legendaryyaj at 12:33 PM 7/20/2004

 

Thats funny you say that, i just got the tranny replaced due to a factory defect, brand new trans about 100 miles ago...lol i dont wanna break this one..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Thats funny you say that, i just got the tranny replaced due to a factory defect, brand new trans about 100 miles ago...lol i dont wanna break this one..</TD></TR></TABLE>

The 98-99's are supposedly the faster ones and have the better tranny's for some odd reason. The 2000 up also have minor changes such as the ULEV and a change in the ignition system.

 

Yes my sister has a 1998 accord EX V6 with 100k miles on it.

It indeed does feel faster than my 2000 with 67k on it.

The tranny probelm was due some metal rubbing , due to engineering problem.The shavings fell to the pan, then got picked up by the pump, the shavings then cause the pump to lock, causing hard shifts, slippage and increased wear.

 

beside all the mechanical disadvantage, your choice of tuning is limited with obd2 and v6 ecm, there's no plug and play part for it what so ever, so you'll be looking at piggyback system.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yes my sister has a 1998 accord EX V6 with 100k miles on it.

It indeed does feel faster than my 2000 with 67k on it.

The tranny probelm was due some metal rubbing , due to engineering problem.The shavings fell to the pan, then got picked up by the pump, the shavings then cause the pump to lock, causing hard shifts, slippage and increased wear.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yea, they have a recall for the 2000+ up but the 98 and 99 got the shaft. For some reason Honda wont come up front with the problem. The high class cars, TL/Cl, autos also have the same problem.

 

cl/tl auto are basically the same design but with more fancy stuff like Sportshift.

the soccer mom special ody. also got that same problem.

 

Don't they make a supercharger kit for the AV6?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by accordselux &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't they make a supercharger kit for the AV6?</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes they do and "they" is comptech.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by -RedneckDave- &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

yes they do and "they" is comptech.</TD></TR></TABLE>

jackson doesnt make one for the AV6?......i always thought they did...

comptech

 

Jackson does make one for the j30a1 but , 40 whp for almost 6 grand, i just cant justice spending that much money for such little power.

I can probaly have a tt accord for 6k.and be making almost twice the power.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Jackson does make one for the j30a1 but , 40 whp for almost 6 grand, i just cant justice spending that much money for such little power.

I can probaly have a tt accord for 6k.and be making almost twice the power.

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wow....i didnt realize you want a twin setup......and you plan on having the same size, which leads me to think you want both boosting at the same time........i hope you love pulling out auto trannies......

 

Ok so I know the auto tranny has a defect, so how would two turbo's of the same

size ,ar, etc make my tranny blow faster than a big single turbo setup which would

hit harder..at a higher rpm and under higher load?

I hope i dont come off as a jerk, but you seemed to.

 

Since youre running 2 turbos independently basically your car will be overworked. Instead of one turbo spooling up in a longer time and your tranny being built for it, the two turbos will put a strain on the torque converter and it will begin to blow. Companies may be able to help, look for a company that builds performance torque convertors.

 

on most twin turbo setups i believe one turbo is of a smaller size and one is a hella big one. the smaller one spools quicker, then the hell big one takes over...etc....

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DRG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ok so I know the auto tranny has a defect, so how would two turbo's of the same

size ,ar, etc make my tranny blow faster than a big single turbo setup which would

hit harder..at a higher rpm and under higher load?

I hope i dont come off as a jerk, but you seemed to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

im not sure if you understand how a TT setup tradionaly works, but heres how i understood it (though i might be incorrect). a smaller turbo (or an electricly assisted one) spools up first, providing boost at lower RPMs....as the tach rises, the second, larger, turbo begins to spool. at the same time, the 1st turbo's role diminishesthus, as the larger turbo takes over. thus, the power is more constant, theres minimal boost lag, and in the end, a larger turbo can be used on a smaller engine

 

 

I had to register just to reply to this thread.

There are many before you that have tried a turbo setup (including HKS). Not saying that yours would destine to follow the same downhill path, but none have been successful on the J30. Its really the tranny, not the engine. The tranny is not as fragile as it seems, but it is not bulletproof by any means. If the tranny is going to go it will, no matter how you drive it. No successful turbos have been done on a J30 engine so far.

Jackson Racing DOES NOT make a s/c for the Accord V6. They were going to, but nothing ever came of it. Comptech is the only one so far.

You are right that the compression ratio would be ample for boost. Boost is fine for the auto tranny as long as its not overkill. The boost amount that the s/c even with the high-boost pulley gives is enough for the stock tranny to handle. A turbo would probably be too much because of the sudden in rush of power as opposed to the linear increase that a s/c gives.

 

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No successful turbos have been done on a J30 engine so far.
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Yeah, and I'm sure you searched the country to make sure this statement is acurate

I personally know of at least one J30 that runs great with a blower

 

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im not sure if you understand how a TT setup tradionaly works, but heres how i understood it (though i might be incorrect). a smaller turbo (or an electricly assisted one) spools up first, providing boost at lower RPMs....as the tach rises, the second, larger, turbo begins to spool. at the same time, the 1st turbo's role diminishesthus, as the larger turbo takes over. thus, the power is more constant, theres minimal boost lag, and in the end, a larger turbo can be used on a smaller engine</TD></TR></TABLE>

I believe you are incorrect to a certain extent. The one you describe and as madd dscribe are of the Sequential setup only. The sequential, which is found on the Supra, works that way. You guys must have been reading too much fast and furious Supra stuff to learn that thats how TT kits work. If you move to the 300zx and 3000gt, they have a a traditional TT set up, both blows at a certain rpm instead of your sequential design: they also use two of the same size turbos. I believe the Supra and rx-7 were the only two imports in the states at the time that had the sequential setup. The Z and the 3kgt dont have that setup because of how their engine is setup. No room for a sequential setup on a V6, this is also the reason why they dont have Single turbo kits available for these to cars.

With the sequential setup, thats why the Supra's are called Turbo...not TT from the factory. Not two turbo's blow at the same time.

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Yeah, and I'm sure you searched the country to make sure this statement is acurate

I personally know of at least one J30 that runs great with a blower </TD></TR></TABLE>

You care to share who your friend is with a turbo setup on their j30? I hope u dont mean turbo when you say blown.

 

THANK YOU!

I was getting kinda nervous about the people on this board, but glad to see that someone else is educated as well.....

Yeah, I know of plenty of s/c Accords....you know, with blowers. A turbo is something different.

Damn, if I could only find this sites' "owned" smiley......

I actually will take some of that in retort. I should have said there hasnt been any documented turbo'd V6s. There is in fact one in team hybrid, but havent seen the proof or results that it works....

 

Jesus Christ....so we made a slight mistake. you can point that out, but to add insult to it is just plain uncalled for. i will be more than happy to tell you i am wrong because i don't know it all. thats why i post on this forum in the first place! if im wrong about something then i would like to be corrected! God forbid we don't know everything like you two do *bows down.* only thing i ask for is a little respect...and not having those lame *** fast and the furious insults thrown in my direction.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Legendaryyaj &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
You care to share who your friend is with a turbo setup on their j30? I hope u dont mean turbo when you say blown.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes I mean turbo. He's not a friend, just an aquaintance but he's got a 99 running 5 PSI. Its not super fast but it runs well, so I would consider this 'successful.'

 

does this guy have exhaust manifold that has 3 runners? basically, ignoring the rear 3 runners and running the turbo only with front 3 runners? i saw one on ebay while ago...it was what i call "half-assed setup" i mean, literally.

on the v6's, the manifold will to tricky. not to mention custom welding that'll have to go into making one. also, did i mention that the engine bay on that car is packed? i believe in "where there's will and bling, there's way" but av6 is NOT a turbo friendly platform. i'd most definitely go with proven comptech setup.

but then again, what about traction? torque steer? is it really worth it?