hi fellas.

working on fixing my racecar. what else is new?

i need to find a good place to order (rush!) high grade, high strength large metric bolts. in particular, i am looking for some M14 x fine thread, about 2" long. can't find them anywhere in any hardware stores. even couldn't find them in the Big Yellow Bible (McMaster Carr). all they have is the M14 x 2.0, which is a coarse thread.

can anyone help?

blah! i hate this fu$%ing metric system! why couldn't it just be the standard thread? why o why????

thanx!

todd

 

I know where to get some down here... but that probably won't help you.

"Down here" meaning Hampton Roads.

 

If you can't find them Local you can call,

http://www.circlebolt.com/

but you will have to buy a box at a time.

 

try pegasus

 

http://www.mcmaster.com/

 

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Lowes near Westview off Rte. 40 has some. Clarks Hardware in Ellicott City also has a good selection, not sure how close to Elkton either of those are, but both are a bit West of Baltimore. PM me if you need directions.

 

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What's wrong with the metric system? The problem is this fu$%ing country, which refuses to switch to a more sensible system, even though every other country in the entire world already has.

 

oops

try
http://nutty.com/


http://nutty.com/methcs88f14150.html

 

http://www.metricspecialties.com

I get my metric stuff here.

Charleston

http://www.a-spec-racing.com

 

The metric system is fantastic. Too bad the whole world hasn't changed over (Oh yes it has except for the USA!).

If you look at Macmaster, you can find:

Part Number 91180A788

Material
Steel

Material Type
Class 8.8 Zinc-Plated Steel

Head Style
Standard Hex

System of Measurement
Metric

Thread Size
M14

Length
50 mm

Thread Style
Standard Right Handed

Thread Length
Partially Threaded

Pitch (Metric)
1.5 mm **FINE THREAD**

Specifications Met
DIN 960

 

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but it would be too much money for the construction industry to switch :/ not to mention all the road signs.

 

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Every other country on the planet has switched, and I don't hear them complaining about the cost.

We changed all the road signs in the past decade or so when the national speed limit of 55 mph was dropped. I didn't hear anyone say it'd cost too much to do that.

If the construction industry switched, they'd probably save money (or make money) by being able to trade with foreign countries. As it is, the construction industry can neither import nor export any goods because we use an antiquated measurement system. I interned for a while at a major shipbuilder; they wanted to get into commercial shipbuilding, an industry that completely left this country years ago. The shipyard had to buy all new tooling in order to put together commercial ships, because they only had tools for building military ships, which use Imperial measurements. You can't sell a ship to a Greek shipping company if it uses Imperial fasteners: how are they going to fix it when they take it to a dock in Europe or Asia, where no one has Imperial tools? So how much did this tool changeover cost them? Probably a lot more than if they had been using metric for as long as every other shipbuilder in the world switched over. Even worse, the engines in these commercial ships were purchased from Asian and European manufacturers. The American diesel engine makers (Caterpillar and Detroit Diesel) lost out on those multimillion dollar contracts because their engines are built with Imperial fasteners, which again can't be serviced anywhere.

And it's not like you have to change everything at once. American cars are mostly made with metric fasteners now; for some stupid reason, most hardware stores still won't stock metric bolts even though everyone's car has them now.

 

Aircraft supply.

 

An aircraft outfit is going to be the LAST place that you'll find metric bolts, I suspect.

We've been making noises about "going metric" since Moses and I got out of high school (1979) and I'll bet you that there aren't very many signs left in service that are that old. It's a social issue - people just don't like change. The continued existence of the penny and the lack of a dollar coin are similar examples of the same lame approach to life.

K

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by descartesfool &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If you look at Macmaster, you can find:

Part Number 91180A788

Material
Steel

Material Type
Class 8.8 Zinc-Plated Steel

Head Style
Standard Hex

System of Measurement
Metric

Thread Size
M14

Length
50 mm

Thread Style
Standard Right Handed

Thread Length
Partially Threaded

Pitch (Metric)
1.5 mm **FINE THREAD**

Specifications Met
DIN 960

</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanx! i saw that one in the MC earlier, but i thought that the class 8.8 was not strong enough for my application (brake caliper to knuckle bolts). i thought that i needed class 10.9 for my app. i very well could be wrong, though. i really don't know a whole lot about fasteners... the original bolt, which is too short, has a "10" stamped in the head? what do you think? i love MC, cause you order today, and it comes in the mail tomorrow (the main warehouse near me is in NJ, and it usually arrives in only one day!).

thanx

todd

 

If there's a stock Honda bolt that's the correct size you could get it at the local honda dealership.

 

As per the marking on your bolt of "10", that bolt should be grade 10.9 and the fine thread one is only 8.8. Torque values are quite high for caliper bolts. Keep looking. Try calling them? By the way, 2" long seems like a very long bolt for a caliper. Is this a non-stock application, because the stock caliper bolts are much shorter. By the way, I bought some nice caliper bolts from a Subaru dealer for the front caliper of a WRX that had the same size and pitch as the Honda bolts, but were longer. A mechanic friend of mine gave me that tip. A lot cheaper than Honda bolts too!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd Reid &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanx! i saw that one in the MC earlier, but i thought that the class 8.8 was not strong enough for my application (brake caliper to knuckle bolts). i thought that i needed class 10.9 for my app. </TD></TR></TABLE>

the 10 on the head would imply 10.9 I think.

Maryland Metric in owings mills/baltimore. They have counter sales. carry everything grade 8.8 thru aerospace.

mdmetric.com

BTW, there is a small market for aerospace metric fasteners in the US, but it is growing. quite a few NASA and military projects are hard metric today. first one I worked in was the TRMM spacecraft in the early 90s. I think it was first hard metric spacecraft built at Goddard

 

hi fellas. some more info: i borrowed a thread pitch gauge and the results are:

M14 x 1.25 a very rare and hard to find bolt, indeed!!! arggggg!

please keep the ideas coming....

thanx

todd

 

well, i tried all the suggestions above, plus about 5 more places. ended up having them MADE custom for me at a machine shop. talk about expensive bolts --&gt;
M14 x 1.25 x 50 mm long in class 10.9.

should be here by friday, though

todd

 

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What exactly did you need these for anyway? Are they an OEM honda part?

 

http://www.mdmetric.com

M14x1.25 sounds like wheel stud territory.

 

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Not for a honduh...

 

M14x1.25 pitch?? Never heard of such a fastener. Who makes it? I know of M10x1.0, M10x1.25, M12x1.25, M12x1.5 and M14x1.5, all fine thread common sizes. Where are you using this fastener, I am curious. I know spark plugs come in that thread, but where are bolts like that used?


Modified by descartesfool at 7:15 PM 7/20/2004